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Do you agree with the establishment of a neurodiverse commune?
Yes 44%  44%  [ 12 ]
No 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
Other (Please Explain) 19%  19%  [ 5 ]
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21 May 2011, 8:36 am

If you want to have a neurodiverse commune, then you need to start a commune by yourself and constantly promote it on WrongPlanet.
After about a year, you are likely to have about two or three additional members join your commune.
As years go by, you are likely to have more and more people join your commune.

It is very unrealistic to expect 1,000 people to turn up before the commune has even started.

Think of Autreat, for example. It has been going on for 15 years now. Yet, there are only about a 100 participants in every Autreat.


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21 May 2011, 8:55 am

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(centrists can feck off)



We centrists will calmly wait on the sidelines while the lefties and righties destroy each other in a pitched, ideologically driven battle. When the smoke clears we'll move in and scoop up all the resources while gleefully chanting "We Told You So!!".


Seriously, though, all this talk about Autopia is misguided. These ideas spring from disaffection and disillusionment. You carry that negativity into a communal environment and you won't do well. You will also have the same dynamics of posturing and dominance in the group. Someone always thinks they should lead. Someone always disagrees with that leader. These things seem to work best when a charismatic leader is the driving force. Once that leader moves on or dies it all starts falling apart.


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21 May 2011, 9:00 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Phonic wrote:

(centrists can feck off)



We centrists will calmly wait on the sidelines while the lefties and righties destroy each other in a pitched, ideologically driven battle. When the smoke clears we'll move in and scoop up all the resources while gleefully chanting "We Told You So!!".


Only until the center-righties and center-lefties start battling it out.



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21 May 2011, 10:46 am

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............the colonies are usually not numerous enough. If you are a small family, united by bonds of common education and thousands of family bonds, you may succeed. If you are more than that, you must be numerous: 2000 souls will succeed better than 200, on account of the variety there would be of characters, aptitudes, inclinations. The individual and the individual's personality more easily disappear in a group of 2000 than in a group of 200 or 20. It is extremely difficult to keep 50 or 100 persons in continuous full agreement. For 2000 or 10,000 this is NOT required. They only need agree as to some advantageous methods of common work, and are free otherwise to live in their own way.
Peter Kropotkin



I'd prefer decentralized federated communes, and I wouldn't care about anyone's neurology, I'd care about what works and fairness. I'd only want to participate on my terms which at the very least would be participating in some productive way. But living in a house with others, forced to socially participate at all times would be too much (like how I see with "intentional communities" I've read about online). Especially with the politically correct.

I'd prefer larger groups only because I think I would be able to participate in some productive way that I may be able to do, get the privileges in a fair way from that participation, and be able to do my own thing from there.



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21 May 2011, 11:12 am

I think I don't like this commune idea because I just don't have the social interests others do. I just do not understand why this fantasy. I can understand the idea of combining money to buy land and save on building costs to have a better quality of life. Just what is this culture stuff and sometimes perhaps it is originating from what is believed to be mainstreams societies rejection of how one is in theory because of labeling and other-times how some were / are treated?


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21 May 2011, 11:45 am

Jediscraps wrote:
I'd prefer decentralized federated communes, and I wouldn't care about anyone's neurology, I'd care about what works and fairness. I'd only want to participate on my terms which at the very least would be participating in some productive way. But living in a house with others, forced to socially participate at all times would be too much (like how I see with "intentional communities" I've read about online). Especially with the politically correct.

I'd prefer larger groups only because I think I would be able to participate in some productive way that I may be able to do, get the privileges in a fair way from that participation, and be able to do my own thing from there.


I share these concerns and preferences, and could only add stereotypically politically correct. Language does influence attitudes, but fairness to all trumps the hyper-sensitivity of a few. Beware the euphemism treadmill.


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21 May 2011, 11:50 am

I think a city, rather than a commune, would be better. A commune tends to imply things like growing your own crops. I think that autistics would work much better as a city that's got a strong technological and artistic economy rather than an agricultural one.


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21 May 2011, 11:59 am

My business instinct tends to want to think practicality and this does not fit well with re-creating the wheel by creating a new society. But however combining skills, interests and passions for the participation economically in already established society and then utilizing some of the funding to create micro-communities for reasons of adaptation within the larger societies and communities as a whole. I suppose that is kind of like a group home model but I had in mind improved quality of life by means of unique apartment / cottage types of micro-communities that were more efficient and effective at accomplishing specific needs and desires.

Purely capitalistic and of compassionate capitalism for those in need of such an adaptation model.

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2011/ ... eally-win/


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21 May 2011, 12:57 pm

ci wrote:
http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/30/can-compassionate-capitalists-really-win/


I am of the firm belief that companies have forgotten how important long term survival is. The housing bubble (and the resultant crash) was a result of short term gain thinking. Companies that think in the long term, however, tend to recognize the importance of caring for their employees, their clients, etc.


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21 May 2011, 12:59 pm

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Perhaps we could segregate the community and have half of it as a left wing technocratic communist utopia and the other half as a traditionalist god fearing right wing gated community with a mayor.

I am right-wing and extremely anti-theistic. :?



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21 May 2011, 1:08 pm

MrLoony wrote:
ci wrote:
http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/30/can-compassionate-capitalists-really-win/


I am of the firm belief that companies have forgotten how important long term survival is. The housing bubble (and the resultant crash) was a result of short term gain thinking. Companies that think in the long term, however, tend to recognize the importance of caring for their employees, their clients, etc.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxUb9Yzr1sE[/youtube]

I can get access to millions in grants for my plans and then do fundraisers as my organization is formulating into a non-profit as well as take from funding from supportive employment sales in small part. Social well being is important and so is having opportunity. I personally don't tend to fall for hype and so bubbles can be found at the $1 store as well and don't often change in price.


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21 May 2011, 1:15 pm

MrLoony wrote:
I am of the firm belief that companies have forgotten how important long term survival is. The housing bubble (and the resultant crash) was a result of short term gain thinking. Companies that think in the long term, however, tend to recognize the importance of caring for their employees, their clients, etc.

Actually, it was the result of the federal reserve artificially setting interest rates low, thereby manipulating what would normally be a natural price signal. The artificial price signal fooled investors into believing that people were saving money rather than spending it, which under normal market conditions would result in a large supply of loanable funds. But since the price signal was artificially manipulated, it didn't accurately portray what condition the market was in. People were actually spending, which meant the supply of loanable funds was in fact in limited supply. However, since investors thought that loans were cheap (higher supply, lower cost), they invested in long term projects, such as housing construction. Then, when the market began to equilibrate, it was revealed that loanable funds were low in supply, and as such interest rates skyrocketed, resulting in the burst bubble.

It was also the fault of Fannie Mae, which intentionally bought sub-prime loans from banks, thereby removing any risk associated with lending mortgages for the banks. All a bank had to do was hand out mortgages to anybody and everybody, and if any of the mortgages started going sour, just sell them off to Fannie Mae. But then of course Fannie Mae exhausted its credit reserves, which meant it could no longer buy any sub-prime mortgages, resulting in the banks being stuck with the sub-prime mortgages that were defaulting. This led to the infamous bailouts.

Yeah.



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21 May 2011, 2:43 pm

Burzum wrote:
Phonic wrote:
Perhaps we could segregate the community and have half of it as a left wing technocratic communist utopia and the other half as a traditionalist god fearing right wing gated community with a mayor.

I am right-wing and extremely anti-theistic. :?


You are clearly a figmant of a mad mans imagination.


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21 May 2011, 2:44 pm

You mean like school, where groups were made up of neurodiverse people where one person did all the work while the others sat around and talked?



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21 May 2011, 2:49 pm

What my husband and I dream of, is a like-minded group of people getting together and moving off the grid. I just think it would be amazing to be self-sufficient. Every family would of course have their own homes, unless they decided to co-habitate, but it would be a close knit group of people who were willing to help and share resources. That's a life worth living!!


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21 May 2011, 2:49 pm

Burzum wrote:
MrLoony wrote:
I am of the firm belief that companies have forgotten how important long term survival is. The housing bubble (and the resultant crash) was a result of short term gain thinking. Companies that think in the long term, however, tend to recognize the importance of caring for their employees, their clients, etc.

Actually, it was the result of the federal reserve artificially setting interest rates low, thereby manipulating what would normally be a natural price signal. The artificial price signal fooled investors into believing that people were saving money rather than spending it, which under normal market conditions would result in a large supply of loanable funds. But since the price signal was artificially manipulated, it didn't accurately portray what condition the market was in. People were actually spending, which meant the supply of loanable funds was in fact in limited supply. However, since investors thought that loans were cheap (higher supply, lower cost), they invested in long term projects, such as housing construction. Then, when the market began to equilibrate, it was revealed that loanable funds were low in supply, and as such interest rates skyrocketed, resulting in the burst bubble.

It was also the fault of Fannie Mae, which intentionally bought sub-prime loans from banks, thereby removing any risk associated with lending mortgages for the banks. All a bank had to do was hand out mortgages to anybody and everybody, and if any of the mortgages started going sour, just sell them off to Fannie Mae. But then of course Fannie Mae exhausted its credit reserves, which meant it could no longer buy any sub-prime mortgages, resulting in the banks being stuck with the sub-prime mortgages that were defaulting. This led to the infamous bailouts.

Yeah.


This is a conspiracy theory by another name, nothing more, but here I am about to say "go back to the damn militia movement and never buy from a government shop again" and I think I could live with you.

No, this ain't gonna work, excuse my dickishness but I'm autistic. :roll:

the reason other communes work so well is because they are all of the same beliefs, anarchism works cause they're all anarchists, christian socialism works cause everyone there is a christian socialist, the trick is getting people who arn't anarchists working in anarchism, and getting people who arn't conservative to work in a conservative society.
My beliefs on how a commune would be run are probably nothing like anyone elses here, I'd be more likely to choose a commune working in my views then a commune filled with autistics.

To be frank, autistics are just as difficult to get along with IRL as NT's, it online that you're all wonderful.


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