Do you fit diagnostic criteria for Autistic Disorder?
I have no idea. My mom told me I didn't really have normal conversations when I was a kid, or maybe in general, and the last couple years I've talked more to her through IM than in real life. She also told me I would ask the same questions over and over again. When I'm relaxed at home and in a good mood I still do this silly question thing, even the same type of question thing I remember doing when I was 14 to my mom. And talk silly nonsense and changing phrases for being upset or excited. I explained it in more detail to my counselor and he said that's autistic spectrum stuff.
I don't generally have conversations with people but it can happen to some degree. I don't think I initiate conversations and I'm going to ask if I've had a form of selective mutism the next time I see him since I used to not really talk to people. I still can become almost mute. He's told me at the end of sessions, "see, we just had a conversation". But he also knows it's controlled environment that I have much experience with. Social workers generally initiate talking to me even though they say they don't have to but that they won't do that to me so they come up with things to talk about if I am sitting there saying I don't know what to say or silent.
This guy has told me I "speak better than some" or that I'm not a very verbal guy. But he's also told me that I talk a lot for someone who used to not really talk. And he's also pointed out that I am articulate. So I don't know what to think.
He's also suggested I watch the king's speech because I might relate even though he said I don't have the same problems. Although, I have been told I come across as a normal person with a stuttering problem even though I don't really have a stuttering problem..
I know I have offended people and made them mad at me for not talking or sustaining conversations. This was made clear to me by a social worker but I can tell too but not to the degree of what she explained to me a long time ago.
Even on this site I feel like an outsider with all these people conversing with each other and I just mainly post things or symptoms about myself.
I'd be surprised if I fit that criteria because I don't think I would. I just think talking to people and being social feels like a huge mess sometimes for me.
Jediscraps: As you can see looking around here a little deeper, many of us post only facts about ourselves... Mostly I do so.
BTW, I also think I wouldn't fit the criteria perfectly. I suppose the psychs will evaluate how convincing I can be. This is exactly what I raise against the strong differentiation between a self and an official diagnosis.
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"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam." (Hannibal) - Latin for "I'll either find a way or make one."
I was diagnosed with Aspergers, but that was before I knew I had quite a speech delay followed by a regression. I consider myself to have classic autism, and I usually refer to myself as HFA (though I am far from mild).
Let's see, I have:
I-A: 1, 2, 3 (much of the time), 4
I-B: 1, 2 (once I developed speech, I still had this), and 4. I might have had 3, but I am not sure.
I-C: 1, 2, 3, 4
II: A, B, and C
III: true
Can someone give some examples of what they mean by stereotypical repetitive and idiosyncratic language. I probably didn't quote that properly, but I'm sure you all know which one I am speaking of. If I know what they mean precisely by that, then I will know I fit into it or not.
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Echolalia, palilalia. I think I read something about inventing words somewhere? I'm not sure about that, though.
I fit the criteria, but I think a professional would call it atypical or on the phenotype:
I A) 1, 2 and 3
I B) 2 and 3
I C) 1, also 3 if OCD counts
II) none, because of the age constriction
III) There was this period when I was around 8 years old, where I showed symptoms that could match Childhood Disintegrative Disorder. According to my medical history it was suspected to be meningitis, but that was never tested properly.
I probably score no, I think, but it depends on interpretation.
I
A. If "actively participating" means "wanting to participate" then I score yes for al parts of A.
B. Does idiosyncratic language include normal language used in a way that others find hard to follow (big words, unusual topics, convoluted logic)? Then yes, but my guess is they mean something less functional, so no.
C. Does "stereotyped patterns" mean more than habitual? If so, no.
II.
Hard to say, probably yes to A (abnormal social interaction), but not extreme.
III
Definitely not Rett's or CDD
I show a lot of traits except I have a very good imagination. Same thing with my psychologist who also has Aspergers.
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(I) A total of six (or more) items from (A), (B), and (C), with at least two from (A), and one each from (B) and (C)
(A) qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1. marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
2. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
3. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people, (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
4. lack of social or emotional reciprocity ( note: in the description, it gives the following as examples: not actively participating in simple social play or games, preferring solitary activities, or involving others in activities only as tools or "mechanical" aids )
(B) qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following:
1. delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gesture or mime)
2. in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others
3. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
4. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level
(C) restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
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Diagnosed with an autistic disorder (Not AS but mild to moderate classic Autism), ADHD, Learning Disability, intellectual disability and severe anxiety (part of the autism); iPad user; written expressionist; emotionally-sensitive
section A
1,2,3,4
a lack or facial expression during conversation and incomprehensible body language. i have no interest in making friends my own age. i do not feel the urge to share my thoughts or interests with others for my own benefit. i play with others games like chess or cards, but anything that can be done alone i prefer to do alone.
section B
2,3
i began speaking early at 7 months old, but i cannot hold the interest of another person in a conversation well. i use idiosyncratic language. using letters "i am ABT" (ay-bee-tee) for "i want a nap" or "cleaning machine" for washing machine, dish washer, and vacuum. i am imaginative. but perhaps was not developmentally appropriate. at 5 i did not play "lets pretend to cook or care for a baby" i played "i live in a bubble aquarium full of genetically altered rainbow seahorses in anti-gravity in a forgotten space station" or "i was the subject of a human experiment where they replaced my bones with carefully carved pieces of wood that are still alive and grow back together when broken."
section C
1,2,3,4
i become abnormally absorbed with different activities or subjects of information. i cant handle spontaneity in others. i stim with my hands or random things that twist or snap together.
section II
none
i was not delayed but rather hyper advanced in all even before the age of 1.
I was diagnosed at 8 years old, but sometimes I'm not sure if I have it, but I am no NT, since part of my behaviour sounds like a typical mentally challenged person.
I understand body language, facial expressions, blah-blah-blah, without having to actually learn any of them, and I reached all the milestones at the average ages, and my mind started maturing at around 13 or 14, meaning I would rather do something more adult than to play, and so I automatically stopped playing with toys since. At my volunteer job I most sort out donated toys, but never ever have an urge to play or anything, and some of them I don't even know how they work, and I can't be bothered to test all of them out. I also grew out of climbing about and being hyperactive, around the age of 13 too. 13 was a very difficult age for me because my mind was rapidly changing, which is about the average age of typical adolescents. Don't get me wrong - my NT cousins grew out of playing at the same age too, so I am right.
Is this very atypical?
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(A) qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1.yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
(B) qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following:
1. no
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes, as a child
(C) restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
2. somewhat
3. yes
4. somewhat
I guess I fit.
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Fit as an Aspie topic
It is in this section that I feel most autistic, in that I feel the most self conscious here.
I fit all those criteria. Feels good, too.
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I fit almost every point except for the ones involving imagination and make-believe. I spent a large part of my childhood in a fantasy world, I still do to some extent.
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My turn.
(I) A total of six (or more) items from (A), (B), and (C), with at least two from (A), and one each from (B) and (C)
(A) qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1. marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
2. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
3. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people, (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
I do this with family and tell them interesting things. I also do it with my husband and will with my kid so I will say no. Strangers, maybe but it depends on how I am feeling. I would say no I do not meet this unless you want to count me not talking to people as meeting this. Same as when I don't talk about my obsessions or special interests or wanting to express myself.
4. lack of social or emotional reciprocity ( note: in the description, it gives the following as examples: not actively participating in simple social play or games, preferring solitary activities, or involving others in activities only as tools or "mechanical" aids )
(B) qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following:
1. delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gesture or mime)
I had hearing loss so I had a speech delay
2. in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others
Yep, I couldn't talk when I was little so how could I? Also when I did start to speak better at age six, I was a big talker and wouldn't let people have a turn to speak.
3. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
I am not sure what this means so I wouldn't know. I know I tend to repeat myself when I get stressed out or when something is bothering me.
4. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level
I was behind in my play skills and then I caught up when I was a toddler. When I did pretend play, it was very rigid and had to be my way and it was the right way. So it made me be bossy.
(C) restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
I had a hard time with change growing up and I had to do things a certain way, I have learned to be flexible now and not freak out if my routine gets disrupted nor upset and get anxiety.
3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
(II) Delays or abnormal functioning in at least one of the following areas, with onset prior to age 3 years:
(A) social interaction
(B) language as used in social communication
(C) symbolic or imaginative play
(III) The disturbance is not better accounted for by Rett's Disorder or Childhood Disintegrative Disorder
So do I meet it? I put no because of what I read in my papers. He said I was between autism and AS. That's why I said I may have met it at one point in my childhood and then didn't anymore.
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