What if it turns out I'm NT?

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it must be that right hemisphere thingy

well it is not as "clear" to me as it is to you that i have a "diminished" (suggesting a prior state of superiority to my current cognitive status) capacity for recognizing facetiousness, and i also do not know how it can be clear to you since you do not know me from a "bar of soap" (as i have heard said before).



your demonstration was unfortunately not understood by me.




who knows? who cares?

I feel you... I don't like the thought of just actually being an NT with issues either. I was so happy when I found what seemed to finally be an explanation for the way I was all my life.

If you have issues, then you have issues. If they are not due to autism, then they are due to something else and it would be in your best interests to figure out what that something else is.

If you are an NT, you could set a good example for other NTs to follow

Since I was facetiously commenting on what appears to be your capacity for recognizing facetiousness, I submit that as your response to my facetiousness does not indicate any awareness of that said facetiousness, it is further evidence that you do not readily recognize facetiousness.

So the big question is, am I still being facetious?

The interesting thing about facetiousness is that it is a rhetorical device for illuminating valid points within an argument. It is not without irony that the point being illustrated by my facetiousness is in fact related to facetiousness itself.

I'll only worship the autism gods if Odo is there.

It is common to be unaware, but not required. Sometimes instead you may perceive people as mocking you when they're not, or even...shocking as it may seem...be accurately aware of mocking or the lack thereof. It is possible to perceive friendly teasing as unfriendly or unfriendly teasing as friendly (I've done both of these...).

It is also possible for autistic people to mock others. It is possible to do so appropriately (friendly teasing), inappropriately (bullying), or in an appropriate context but inappropriate intensity (mock too much or the wrong thing, push to far, violate boundaries). I've done the first and third, and try to avoid the second.

There's no one thing that you can do that will distinguish you as NT or autistic. It's the aggregate result of multiple traits and whether they reach a clinical threshold or not.

But if it helps, check out this thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt161934.html

Follow the instructions in the first post before reading the rest of the thread.

If you are NT I'll eat that uber cute bunny... fangs and all!

Does this make you a deluded NT too?! Because, that right there would be some irony...

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When you say mental illness, are you thinking of things like schizoid/schizotypal PD, OCD, social anxiety, ect.? (I ask because for some reason the first thing my mind jumped to was "mental retardation" instead and I spent five minutes wondering why you would think that. @_@)

I feel the same sometimes. Learning about AS changed the way I understand my own behavior. It changed the way I think of myself, and provided me with answers to questions I'd been carrying for a long time. I am taking steps to get an assessment myself, but I'm still afraid of the possibility that the moment I walk into that office that this self-understand I've found can be taken away again in an instant and replaced with something like a personality disorder.

I don't want to be told that I'm NT and just need to try harder. : ( I think that would be the absolute worst, that someone would tell me that the root of all my problems is me.

But on the bright side, I think you really seem to know your stuff. It seems like you've done your research, and if you've considered the alternatives and think that AS fits you best, I think the odds are on you being right. : D

I have the same problem. I actually wanna be an Aspie <_<.

If you're an NT, then good for you. That means that all of your socialization problems are likely to be imaginary, and do not really exist. I would love to be able to say that about myself, but I can't think of one little piece of evidence that suggests that I do actually communicate properly.

Although I know what you're thinking. You don't think you're NT, but you don't think you're an aspie either. In that case, you still aren't alone. There's plenty of half aspie half NT people around here.

I'm in the same boat, Swbluto. I imagine you sitting in your chair pulling your hair out as you typed that, just as I often want to.

I've decided that there are two possible outcomes to this whole Do-I-have-Asperger's question. Firstly, if I am right and I am an aspie, then I can deal with that. Secondly, if I am wrong and I am just "one of those NTs with an abrasive personality and ret*d social, language and/or thinking skills and abilities," then I at least will have learned new things about myself and gotten a better definition of my problems.

Already, learning about my possibly-AS-related shortcomings has helped me in my life. I had an interview for a new job a couple weeks ago. I went in with the view that I am an aspie and I had certain things I had to hide/correct in order to succeed in the interview (eye contact, not going off on tangents, etc). It worked, and a week later, they called and offered me the job. My point here is that, even if you find you're not an aspie, it's not like you're back to square one; you'll still have learned valuable things about yourself.

Who cares? You're still welcome.

I'm leaning towards the side of schizoid/schizotypal PD, schizophrenia and the such (and whatever other "eccentric" personality disorders and illnesses there are). I guarantee I do not have OCD nor social anxiety.




If it's a non-schizo personality disorder, then it seems like it should be relatively easy to work around and integrate oneself into society (I.e., be gainfully employed), so I'd honestly prefer that diagnosis compared to schizo* or something on the autism spectrum. And a diagnosis of normality would be the best case of all, because that suggests I've been laboring under an illusion that doesn't exist and all the "normal rules" of the NT world apply and, theoretically, an NT can effectively assume any social role one might desire, and be gainfully employed somewhere in their desired field, whereas the same is a bit harder to say for someone with schizo* or aspergers syndrome where unemployment rates are substantially higher than average and social outcomes are typically worse than average.


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If I were aspie, I'd definitely not like someone to effectively say "Try harder". It seems the most common posited reason for my unusual social difficulty is because I'm "too shy" and I need to stop being "shy", but my shyness doesn't really change the avoidant behavior many of my acquaintances exhibit when I interact or attempt interacting with them and that of other important people (And the avoidant behavior other people sometimes exhibit after I make a seemingly innocuous statement that's not "really negative", as far as I can tell.), and I'm definitely not socially anxious in the way that characterizes "shy people".

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I'm not "shy" either. I'm not anxious around people at all; any discomfort I feel is entirely inward.

What I hate being called is lazy.