The Differences between Aspie and NT Conversation

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12 Jun 2011, 1:39 am

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I find NT conversation jarring. NT's tend not to go into any topic at any depth and often change the topic of conversation too abruptly. Aspies usually tolerate depth and can discuss a single subject for hours on end.


I do both. I try to go into depth but I am very easily distracted.



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12 Jun 2011, 2:07 am

Verdandi wrote:
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I find NT conversation jarring. NT's tend not to go into any topic at any depth and often change the topic of conversation too abruptly. Aspies usually tolerate depth and can discuss a single subject for hours on end.


I do both. I try to go into depth but I am very easily distracted.


Of course I'm easily distracted if I'm bored. Usually my mind will go off on a tangent opposite the conversation and after a certain amount of daydreaming it's hard to re-enter. There's also a pettern where I can be awkwardly silent for long periods with absolutely nothing to say, but when something eventually "clicks" and I get myself wound up in the discussion I have this feeling that I have to get everything out. I get a touch irritable when I'm not being able to complete my thought before someone else decides to direct the conversation elsewhere.



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12 Jun 2011, 3:13 am

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Verdandi wrote:
marshall wrote:
I find NT conversation jarring. NT's tend not to go into any topic at any depth and often change the topic of conversation too abruptly. Aspies usually tolerate depth and can discuss a single subject for hours on end.


I do both. I try to go into depth but I am very easily distracted.


Of course I'm easily distracted if I'm bored. Usually my mind will go off on a tangent opposite the conversation and after a certain amount of daydreaming it's hard to re-enter. There's also a pettern where I can be awkwardly silent for long periods with absolutely nothing to say, but when something eventually "clicks" and I get myself wound up in the discussion I have this feeling that I have to get everything out. I get a touch irritable when I'm not being able to complete my thought before someone else decides to direct the conversation elsewhere.


This is very close to how I operate. Except I am not only distracted when bored.

Thanks for clarifying.



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19 Jun 2011, 11:35 am

NT conversations tend to go rather slowly in my opinion, they talk about dull topics and make satire jokes that I cannot understand. I could talk about Homestuck or transformers all day but no they get sick of it.

None of the topics other than those are remotely interesting, I get bored in long conversations that hardly hold my attention or interest. rhetorically bored to tears type of attitude.

I look away and daydream or mutter.

It usually turns into a 'no,no. We must consider what NT's think and speech etiquette'. Its like they are trying to turn us into what they want. Usually I get interrupted and they throw the speech etiquette book at me when I do the same to them.

I always have to repeat my self 5 times, so I snap back one syllable at a time. I can appear to be caustic and rude in conversations at first.



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19 Jun 2011, 1:44 pm

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I came accross an interesting blog here - http://life-with-aspergers.blogspot.com/2009/01/differences-between-aspie-and-nt.html
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A little while ago, I was asked to explain what the main differences were between aspie and NT Communication, specifically in terms of what each party receives. We're always being told that Aspies miss non-verbal cues and that they're distracted but do aspies actually pick up more or less elements in conversation?

Here are a couple of lists for comparison based on a normal office desk conversation.

What the NT Gets
- Voice
- Facial Expression
- Verbal Tone
- Body Language and Posture
- What the person is wearing
- Any sufficiently loud or disruptive intrusions

What the Aspie Gets
- The Voice
- Non-verbals in a single swoop (discussed below)
- The books on the bookshelf behind the talker
- Other people in the room
- The Flashing lights on their hard drive
- Traffic outside the office
- Nice (Groovy) Patterns on the person's tie
- The Logo on their glasses
- Scuff marks on their shoes
- The Screen Saver on the PC behind them.

It's my belief that aspies generally pick up much more of the surroundings regardless of whether or not it is relevant to the conversation. In fact, I don't believe that this is limited to conversation. I have also noticed it while driving. When I am in the car, regardless of whether or not I am a passenger or a driver, I seem to notice much more of the surroundings than my NT wife. Strangely enough, I will pick up all kinds of interesting but irrelevant details which she will miss even though she is looking out of the window and directly at them.

Picking Up Non-Verbals in a Single Swoop
The question remains as to whether or not aspies get non-verbal cues in conversations. I think that we do actually pick them up but that we are unable to interpret them in a timely fashion.

It's funny but when I am in the conversation, I usually find that I am struggling to keep up just with the words and that I don't have a great deal of time to think about anything other than what has been said. It's only when I am going over the conversation back in my office or writing minutes for it or thinking about it on the way home, that I start to go over all of the non-verbal cues. Sometimes it's then that I realise the person wasn't really interested in what I have to say or that they seemed to have trouble accepting an idea. It is far too late for this new information to have any bearing on the conversation at this point but I will often take that feedback on board an attempt to not discuss the same subjects or the same amount of detail with that person again. One thing that I don't often do however is go back to the person with my new interpretations and attempt to redo the conversation. As far as I can tell, if something wasn't well received once, it's not a good idea to attempt a follow up. In a sense, we are getting non-verbal cues unfortunately however we are not able to process them in time to make use of them during conversation. This leads outsiders to believe that we are missing them entirely.

Strangely though, one thing that I don't often get (and this could be a male thing rather than an aspie thing) is clothes. Unless someone is wearing an interesting pattern, I'll usually have absolutely no idea what they were wearing. It's like my mind drops that as "irrelevant".


The blog is a few years old so you may have come across it. The blog mirrors my experience very closely. I could almost have written it myself.

Since realising I have AS, I have been studying up on body language. I understand the theory. Given time I can interpret body language in line with the written guidance. My studies have been wasted, because I am still totally lost in real situations. The whole body language thing goes totally over my head in real time. It’s like being blind. I also miss what, to most people, are really obvious signs when they are out of context. Has anybody got any hints on how to deal with/work around this problem?


I do see what the person is wearing. I have to be blind to not see what they have one. Who wouldn't see it?

But the aspie conversation did nearly describe me.