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17 Jun 2011, 10:23 pm

zokor001 wrote:
and tell me what medecines you take for calming down your autism or asperger
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There's no need to calm it down.

I recognize that some people with autism or Asperger's will, well, have un-calm traits. And maybe benefit for treatment, whether medicine or other, to help with that.

But that lack of calm is not autism.

Calming down autism, or Asperger's, doesn't make sense. The word just doesn't fit.


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18 Jun 2011, 12:37 am

Here's my stance on psychopharmacological drugs: assuming that you've got comorbidities that present with severe enough symptoms to warrant medication, then by all means talk to your doctor and work together to figure out a treatment regiment that's right for you. However, the first -line treatment for Asperger Syndrome is usually just social skills training - if you only have AS, chances are that you can probably get by without meds.



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18 Jun 2011, 12:40 am

SyphonFilter wrote:
Here's my stance on psychopharmacological drugs: assuming that you've got comorbidities that present with severe enough symptoms to warrant medication, then by all means talk to your doctor and work together to figure out a treatment regiment that's right for you. However, the first -line treatment for Asperger Syndrome is usually just social skills training - if you only have AS, chances are that you can probably get by without meds.


I know of more than a few people who say they find the sensitivities to be disabling. I'd say that they're more of a problem for me than my social skills. Autism is usually more than just social deficits.



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18 Jun 2011, 2:42 am

Both are autism. One is just more higher functioning/less severe than the other. :B



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18 Jun 2011, 4:42 am

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Both are autism. One is just more higher functioning/less severe than the other. :B


On a case by case basis, this may not be the case. It is simply assumed to be so.



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18 Jun 2011, 4:45 am

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Asperger's Syndrome also mandates no developmental delay.


Does this equate to a person carrying autism genes that have not activated?



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18 Jun 2011, 4:56 am

cyberdad wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Asperger's Syndrome also mandates no developmental delay.


Does this equate to a person carrying autism genes that have not activated?


Developmental delay in this case is I think a term that suggests a more broadly consistent pattern of developmental delay than you see in autism.

But I do agree that people diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome do tend to have various developmental delays that are not acknowledged as such because the criteria says they can't be there. Otherwise, what would be the basis for diagnosis in the first place?



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18 Jun 2011, 7:35 am

Verdandi wrote:
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Here's my stance on psychopharmacological drugs: assuming that you've got comorbidities that present with severe enough symptoms to warrant medication, then by all means talk to your doctor and work together to figure out a treatment regiment that's right for you. However, the first -line treatment for Asperger Syndrome is usually just social skills training - if you only have AS, chances are that you can probably get by without meds.


I know of more than a few people who say they find the sensitivities to be disabling. I'd say that they're more of a problem for me than my social skills. Autism is usually more than just social deficits.


Those sensitivities also aren't autism. A common co-morbidity, and for some people, something that's behind the autism, but still, not the autism. So, if one were to take medication to calm those sensitivities (is that possible?), one's calming the sensitivities, not the autism.

Though, come to think of it, I can understand calling that calming the autism. I wonder if that's what original poster meant, rather than emotional issues?

Though, even thinking of that as part of the autism, still, one can't "calm the autism", but, rather, a specific aspect of it. (By that I mean, the word "calm" applies; how and if one can actually do that is a further issue.)


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18 Jun 2011, 10:52 am

omg you changed subject ! !!



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18 Jun 2011, 1:40 pm

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Those sensitivities also aren't autism. A common co-morbidity, and for some people, something that's behind the autism, but still, not the autism. So, if one were to take medication to calm those sensitivities (is that possible?), one's calming the sensitivities, not the autism.


Are you sure that it is a comorbid and not part of the autism? I am not even sure that ADHD comorbid with autism is not simply part of the autism rather than a separate co-morbid condition, since autism affects every part of the brain. Sensory sensitivities are even part of the DSM-V criteria. There are also delays in self-help and adaptive skills common across the spectrum (despite the criteria that it not be present for Asperger's Syndrome, most diagnosed with it likely have these issues) which can also cause problems.

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Though, even thinking of that as part of the autism, still, one can't "calm the autism", but, rather, a specific aspect of it. (By that I mean, the word "calm" applies; how and if one can actually do that is a further issue.)


I wasn't really arguing in favor of "calming the autism," but I disagree that social impairments are the only issue that autism causes. Sensitivities is one other issue, rigid adherence to routines is another, hyperfocus/inertia and executive dysfunction is another.



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18 Jun 2011, 2:21 pm

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I wasn't really arguing in favor of "calming the autism," but I disagree that social impairments are the only issue that autism causes.


Wait... who said that social impairment is the only issue brought on by autism?



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18 Jun 2011, 2:25 pm

SyphonFilter wrote:
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I wasn't really arguing in favor of "calming the autism," but I disagree that social impairments are the only issue that autism causes.


Wait... who said that social impairment is the only issue brought on by autism?


I probably misunderstood what you meant by saying getting by without meds right after saying that only social skills training was available.



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18 Jun 2011, 2:35 pm

aspergers syndrome means delay in fine motor skills and body dexterity but speech is precosious.kanner syndrome or classic autism there is some delay in speech or no speech at all.kanner syndrome it self is a broad spectrum.in kanner syndrome fine motor skills and body dexterity is precosious better than most kids but major speech dificulties.now if both speech and body and fine motor dexterity is precosious but later in childhood usualy around 7 or 8 both are lost completly,this is called childhood disintagrative disorder


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18 Jun 2011, 2:45 pm

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aspergers syndrome means delay in fine motor skills and body dexterity but speech is precosious.kanner syndrome or classic autism there is some delay in speech or no speech at all.kanner syndrome it self is a broad spectrum.in kanner syndrome fine motor skills and body dexterity is precosious better than most kids but major speech dificulties.now if both speech and body and fine motor dexterity is precosious but later in childhood usualy around 7 or 8 both are lost completly,this is called childhood disintagrative disorder


I keep repeating myself, but "Kanner's Autism" does not require a speech delay. The other thing is that apparently, in general, children diagnosed with ASDs in general tend to have worse handwriting and other fine motor skills.

I have heard of people who are more agile than is typically expected, but I have heard of people diagnosed with AS and people diagnosed with autism who have this, although there may be a tendency for this to be more common among those diagnosed with autism.



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18 Jun 2011, 2:58 pm

Autism is a spectrum. Autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder and PDD-NOS are all autism at different points on this spectrum. Autistic disorder is considered the most severe, PDD-NOS is considered next in line, then comes AS and then nonverbal learning disability is the mildest. I think this is somewhat of a fallacy because PDD-NOS can be a sub-threshold diagnosis and therefore be less severe than some cases of AS and some cases of AS can be of equal severity to some cases of autistic disorder, especially high-functioning autistic disorder. Those are just some examples that reveal a bit of controversy on the relative severity levels of the various autism spectrum disorders.



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18 Jun 2011, 3:23 pm

Verdandi wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
aspergers syndrome means delay in fine motor skills and body dexterity but speech is precosious.kanner syndrome or classic autism there is some delay in speech or no speech at all.kanner syndrome it self is a broad spectrum.in kanner syndrome fine motor skills and body dexterity is precosious better than most kids but major speech dificulties.now if both speech and body and fine motor dexterity is precosious but later in childhood usualy around 7 or 8 both are lost completly,this is called childhood disintagrative disorder


I keep repeating myself, but "Kanner's Autism" does not require a speech delay. The other thing is that apparently, in general, children diagnosed with ASDs in general tend to have worse handwriting and other fine motor skills.

I have heard of people who are more agile than is typically expected, but I have heard of people diagnosed with AS and people diagnosed with autism who have this, although there may be a tendency for this to be more common among those diagnosed with autism.
classic autism does require a speech delay,if you have no speech delay you would either have aspergers syndrome or ppd-nos.if a person with aspergers had a speech delay there were wronly diagnosed,they are then a hfa.the world of autism is ever evolving there could be hybrid species of ppd-nos that mix and match A.S and kanner syndrome traits but aspergers and kanner syndrome are clearly defined


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