Why do people just not get what aspergers is?
Mummy_of_Peanut
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As an Aspie mother of an Aspie girl, the attitude of people who are close to me can really frustrate me. My best friend is a lovely lady and very well meaning. When I tell her about the problems I've had getting my daughter ready for school, she'll say something like, 'Yeah, I have days like that', in an attempt to make me feel better. It actually makes me feel worse as, if she goes through the same, why doesn't she ever look exasperated, like me? She doesn't have days anything like mine, that's why. I ask my daughter 50 times to get dressed and it doesn't happen, until we only have seconds to spare, then I may have to dress her myself. Some days my friend might have to ask her son a few times before he does it, but eventually it gets done. Most days, he'll just get ready without having to be asked. Every single day is a battle with my daughter.
I told her how in school I had trouble making friend because of my AS, and she says things like "well everybody feels awkward at that stage. I think people don't realize that everybody feels awkward, and not just themselves".
That may be true but there are clear difference between normal awkward stages of growing up, and dealing with AS. I had no friends, other kids did. I couldnt develop normal relationships with women, other boys/men my age did.
Why does she just not understand this? Why do people in general just not understand, even after you explain it to them? I really hate it when she says stuff like "everyone went through what you did"...NO THEY DIDNT, YOU IDIOT!
Why do people like her minimize what AS is?
What's even worse is when people can't figure out why you can't make any friends. Not only do they not want to acknowledge AS, they also want to blame you entirely for not having friends. I have heard all kinds of things. "What are you doing to not make them want to be your friend?" is at the top of the list. Even when I was nice, they didn't want to be friends, so I was utterly clueless about it. It cannot be overestimated enough.
It's true, some people do go through this. In fact, many people do. The difference between me and them is theirs got resolved while mine never seemed to
I used to wonder why things worked out for others but never for me. When I saw two people arguing or fighting, I soon figured out, it meant nothing and they would be best buddies a few minutes later. When I argued, I usually had people wanting to beat the crap out of me.
I'm going to take an adversarial position here for a minute.
Why should we expect anyone to devote any energy to understanding our issues? I don't spend much time worrying about their problems. Isn't it a little asymmetric expecting them to spend time understanding things about me that don't apply to the vast majority of their concerns?
I think of this in terms of concentric circles. The innermost circle contains the people closest to me, those that really matter. I feel I can justifiably expect some effort from them at understanding my difficulties. If they refuse to put in any effort at all then they get pushed into circles further out. Each circle beyond the innermost circle, this expectation drops. The vast majority of people fall so far outside of my innermost circle that it just isn't worth getting too upset over their lack of effort at understanding Asperger's and autism. Explaining to these people is wasted effort. I'm better off going around, over and through them.
I want people in my innermost circle - putting lie to the stereotype that Aspie prefer to always be alone. I am also willing to put effort into understanding their NT ways. But there must be reciprocity.
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Why should we expect anyone to devote any energy to understanding our issues? I don't spend much time worrying about their problems. Isn't it a little asymmetric expecting them to spend time understanding things about me that don't apply to the vast majority of their concerns?
I think of this in terms of concentric circles. The innermost circle contains the people closest to me, those that really matter. I feel I can justifiably expect some effort from them at understanding my difficulties. If they refuse to put in any effort at all then they get pushed into circles further out. Each circle beyond the innermost circle, this expectation drops. The vast majority of people fall so far outside of my innermost circle that it just isn't worth getting too upset over their lack of effort at understanding Asperger's and autism. Explaining to these people is wasted effort. I'm better off going around, over and through them.
I want people in my innermost circle - putting lie to the stereotype that Aspie prefer to always be alone. I am also willing to put effort into understanding their NT ways. But there must be reciprocity.
In order to live in society, you have to have some kind of idea of other people, their wants, their needs, their expectations, what they will and won't allow. I am clued into basic survival with them, so I can peacefully coexist. I think I am expected to treat them a lot nicer than they treat me and often do.
I guess I'm not even sure what others expectations are about this. I am just too bad at understanding these interactions. I have defaulted to being nicer to people because it seems to work better than being gruff. But even when I try to be nice it can come across wrong. But I can't really say if people expect me to be be nicer to them than they treat me.
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When God made me He didn't use a mold. I'm FREEHAND baby!
The road to my hell is paved with your good intentions.
Some people just aren't that smart, some people just don't really care to know what it is, some people think it's a "made up" condition, some people won't listen to you unless you're a doctor...there's a million reasons. People can comprehend the (simple) explanation of what AS is, but just might not care about it enough to actually grasp it.
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I guess I'm not even sure what others expectations are about this. I am just too bad at understanding these interactions. I have defaulted to being nicer to people because it seems to work better than being gruff. But even when I try to be nice it can come across wrong. But I can't really say if people expect me to be be nicer to them than they treat me.
I know they expect it from me because I can't get away with being as rude as they are. An example is, if I drove half as bad as some of the people I see drive around here, I would get a ticket in no time at all. That's just one example.
I don't think people really understand it. It's just like when I read about adjustment disorder I thought it was full of crap because everyone has a hard time with change when it comes to divorce or separation or losing a job, etc. and they decided to make that a condition. Then I found out it actually means the person has not improved in the situation and are still having a hard time adjusting and they never adjust.
Same with ODD, how many of you have said that condition is fake while I know it's indeed real? Sure we hear about it and it sounds like normal kid behavior or normal behavior but lot of you don't realize it's to an extreme that is causes impairments and the kid is bullying others and manipulating to get their way through violence and breaking things. They also curse and scream at people and bully others to get their way and destroy property because they don't care about your things. I knew an aspie with it so that is how I know it is real.
Perhaps it's how people view AS. They see it as normal behavior and I have read a few times online it does sound like everyone but it has to cause an impairment for it to be a condition.
Now people are saying making gaming addiction a condition is full of crap but what they don't realize is those people who have the addiction don't ever get off the computer for bedtime or to be with their families or to go to work or even spend time with their friends or family so they make it an impairment. Then when they can't be on their computer playing their game, they get anxious and cranky. But of course if you have AS and WOW is one of your obsessions so you are on it playing it all the time, if you tell other people that is what you do because aspies tend to spend time with their obsessions so you are online a lot playing, people will see that as normal and a gaming addiction, not AS. But I do wonder mmm what would be the difference between an aspie doing it an an NT, it would sure pass off as normal since it's common and lot of them be upset if they couldn't be on their game but how would an NT and an aspie react if they couldn't be on it? If an aspie has an obsession that is common in lot of people such as sports or WOW, then their life is easier because people will see that as normal.
I don't think people are really stupid for not understanding AS and taking the problems seriously. They're just ignorant. I do see it as a compliment though.
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I think this is true. It's their inability to empathize with the unlike-minded. We can actually empathize better with them than they can with us, because many of us have spent our whole lives studying them to understand the majority, while they, being the majority, have had no reason to study us.
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Nobody understands anything outside of the realm of their own experience.
The only way to jump over this type of innocent ignorance is to have some motivation or connecting issue that someone would reach for understanding and really try.
It is a frustrating phenomenon.
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"Every day is a journey, and the journey itself is home." -Basho
NTs in general don't view social skills as actual skills or disciplines, and they just assume that everyone picks up social skills as a kid. I find that they are more receptive when I explain that social skills are like our second language and we need to be explicitly taught these skills. They find this fascinating and understand it better when I frame it that way.
Plus, AS is not inherenly obvious to most people, since we tend to look like everyone else and have no physical differences...so they'll just assume it's a personality defect (e.g 'you're too shy!') rather than a neurological difference.
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Given a “tentative” diagnosis as a child as I needed services at school for what was later correctly discovered to be a major anxiety disorder.
This misdiagnosis caused me significant stress, which lessened upon finding out the truth about myself from my current and past long-term therapists - that I am an anxious and highly sensitive person but do not have an autism spectrum disorder.
My diagnoses - social anxiety disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
I’m no longer involved with the ASD world.
[quote="bishopzero"]I always joke that the conversations tend to go like this:
FRIEND: Your behaviour is very odd. Why do you do that?
ME: I'm pretty sure it's Aspergers.
FRIEND: Don't be stupid -- there's nothing wrong with you!
I've learned to just roll with it
[/quote
Haha that's so what it's like 4me too!
