I keep getting picked on in public. What do I do?! !! !

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22 Jun 2011, 2:13 pm

At first I was considering that perhaps you are developing some sort of psychosis. It's not unusual for people to perceive people are doing or saying things about them during certain bouts of psychosis, however, then you mentioned that you don't wear glasses, which implied that you have poor vision.

When those with poor vision don't wear glasses or contacts, their observable universe shrinks such that they find themselves in a position where person A is not in their observable universe but they are in person A's observable universe.

They end up not only missing blatant non-verbal cues from person A but sending the wrong non-verbal cues to person A.....in my case, when I ventured out without my glasses once, person A once turned out to be some crazy psychopath who thought I was staring at him and had an issue with it, when in reality, I was looking past him to the sign behind him...or at least trying to.

From my perspective, I was spontaneously threatened by a strange psychopath for no apparent reason. From his perspective, someone was staring at him and his personality and perspectives on the world were such that he assumes negative intentions before positive ones.

I believe part of your problem will resolve if you wear your glasses or contacts. The latter part of your issue is that I believe you are stringing together events that seem cohesive but are actually unrelated.

The lady on the bus moved your purse and for some reason wanted to sit with you. Buses tend to be full of crazy, unpredictable people. It probably had nothing to do with you. You just happened to be the person in that seat at the time. The kids behind you may not have kicked your seat intentionally. They were probably fooling around and one accidentally kicked your seat. He probably felt foolish for doing so and after some non-verbal taunt from his friend, did it again as if to imply "See, I'm not bothered" to assert his confidence in himself.

Again, you were just a stranger in a seat.



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22 Jun 2011, 2:23 pm

Well my vision is OK for walking around - I have tried my distant-reading glasses to walk around the house, and I didn't get on very well. Things came up closer to me, and I smacked my head a few times, and I took them off and everything was in place again. I went to the optitions and he only prescribed me with glasses for reading distant words (for example words on a whiteboard), and he said that I needn't wear glasses all the time.
Right now I'm sitting at my computer, and the computer is about 3 and half feet away from my eyes, and I can see it perfectly, but if I was to stand right at the other side of the room to read it I would have to squint. But when I looked out my bedroom window earlier, I saw my brother coming up the other end of my street, which is about 9 houses away from mine, and I knew that was him, even though I didn't know what clothes he was wearing today. I just could see clearly that it was him.


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22 Jun 2011, 2:33 pm

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That is good advice, but when I used to be scared of dogs as a child, I was always told never to look at the dog, and the dog won't be interested in me either. It worked, and since then I haven't been afraid of dogs. And I thought that worked on people too - I thought the less you look at them, the less they expect from you, and so they don't bother to acknowledge you either (unless you know them, which is different).
Once I caught somebody glaring at me, and I smiled to them, and they never smiled back, and that's actually happened a few times, so smiling at them doesn't help.


Coming from the male toolset, smiling at potentially aggressive people is the wrong response. They interpret this too as a sign of submission (though I think it can be made to work if you sneer up to show teeth at the same time as smiling while maintaining relaxed muscles around the eye sockets). The correct response to someone acting aggressive is to stare at them for two seconds and look to the side at medium speed (moving your head as you look but not moving your eyes within the sockets). Don't look too far away and be prepared to stare at them again if they come closer/look at you - and be sure to keep a "concentrating" expression the entire time.

This usually results in me being left alone, though I should warn that if you do it wrong it can initiate an aggressive response.



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22 Jun 2011, 3:08 pm

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Anyway - not everybody wears the same clothes anyway. It's not like a uniform contest.


Yes that is true, however by wearing unusual styles of clothing, one draws attention to themselves Aspie or not. I wasn't for a moment suggeting that you are bad at fashion, I was merely wondering if you, like me, were supported with fashion. I personally don't care for fashion and just wear plain boring stuff. it helps me blend in a bit. I don't know you personally so I didn't know if maybe you dressed like an emo or goth or something because I used to dress like that but (apparently) get it wrong!


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22 Jun 2011, 3:30 pm

I just wear ordinary clothes, which are fashionable and trendy, but I don't exact get them from the Boutique fashion stores. I get them from places like New Look, Peacock, Primark, Matalan, and various other ordinary clothes shops, where everybody I know gets their clothes from. The clothes I wear make me blend in.

But anyway I don't think it's anything to do with how I dress. It's something else, what I can't put my finger on.


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22 Jun 2011, 3:31 pm

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Well my vision is OK for walking around - I have tried my distant-reading glasses to walk around the house, and I didn't get on very well. Things came up closer to me, and I smacked my head a few times, and I took them off and everything was in place again. I went to the optitions and he only prescribed me with glasses for reading distant words (for example words on a whiteboard), and he said that I needn't wear glasses all the time.
Right now I'm sitting at my computer, and the computer is about 3 and half feet away from my eyes, and I can see it perfectly, but if I was to stand right at the other side of the room to read it I would have to squint. But when I looked out my bedroom window earlier, I saw my brother coming up the other end of my street, which is about 9 houses away from mine, and I knew that was him, even though I didn't know what clothes he was wearing today. I just could see clearly that it was him.


But it isn't actually because you likely cannot resolve other people's faces as well as other people can resolve yours. This causes problems. Trust me.



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22 Jun 2011, 3:44 pm

Chronos wrote:
But it isn't actually because you likely cannot resolve other people's faces as well as other people can resolve yours.


I can well attest to this. People think I'm staring at them when I'm trying to work out who they are because I can't actually see them and I'm looking at their way in a desparate attempt to glean information or be able to focus on their features.



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22 Jun 2011, 4:00 pm

I agree with the first response, I do think those were coincidences and random. Nothing to do with you. Just rude people. I sometimes run into rude people and I doubt it has anything to do with me being different.

One time on the bus there was a woman in a wheel chair, she got on and then she was getting off. She tells me to move my toes and before I got the chance to move them, she hits them with her wheel and doesn't even apologize. I am sure she was aware of it but maybe felt she didn't owe me one because I didn't move them fast enough. I don't know if she felt she is entitled to that behavior just because she is in a wheelchair. Or maybe I took too long to respond because sometimes it takes longer for the information to process for me to act on it and she could have thought I was the rude one who refused to move her feet just because she is a wheelchair and I do look normal so she isn't going to know I have AS and that I also have problems with taking longer for me to respond to things. Plus she looked to be in a bad mood anyway so I think it was her problem not mine and she took it out on me. I just happened to be in the wrong spot at the wrong time.



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22 Jun 2011, 4:15 pm

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One time on the bus there was a woman in a wheel chair, she got on and then she was getting off. She tells me to move my toes and before I got the chance to move them, she hits them with her wheel and doesn't even apologize. I am sure she was aware of it but maybe felt she didn't owe me one because I didn't move them fast enough. I don't know if she felt she is entitled to that behavior just because she is in a wheelchair. Or maybe I took too long to respond because sometimes it takes longer for the information to process for me to act on it and she could have thought I was the rude one who refused to move her feet just because she is a wheelchair and I do look normal so she isn't going to know I have AS and that I also have problems with taking longer for me to respond to things. Plus she looked to be in a bad mood anyway so I think it was her problem not mine and she took it out on me. I just happened to be in the wrong spot at the wrong time.


This doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately a lot of people in wheelchairs are very frustrated by being in a wheelchair and end up taking it out on others which is wrong. I have been in a wheelchair before but I didn't take it out on other people, just got angry with shops for being inaccessible!


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22 Jun 2011, 6:43 pm

The walking in the street thing is familiar, I can relate. The awkward "let's play chicken" feeling as you walk in the street. Gulliver's Americanisation of Lilliput has had some subtle effects on the local culture here and there, you know. One is the way in which you can tell people here in a city like Mildando think their s**t doesn't stink, by the way they walk.


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23 Jun 2011, 12:03 pm

I've had some success with casually scanning the entire eye slit area, and then matter-of-factly looking away. I try and keep it light and casual. And the eye slit area includes the muscles on the sides of the eye and much of the nose and thus can show emotion. And I try to 'right-brain' it rather than left-brain and analytical. A beat or two after I look away, I might get an idea where the person is emotionally. And I only need to be approximate.



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23 Jun 2011, 12:08 pm

Well, today when I went out to a busy town, a tried looking up at more people, and do you know what? The more people I looked at, the less I felt I was being stared at, and people actually gave way and a man even let me go before him to be served in a shop, and he said, ''I always let the beautiful ladies go first.'' Although it didn't mean he fancied me, but I still felt very complimented.


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23 Jun 2011, 2:01 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Well, today when I went out to a busy town, a tried looking up at more people, and do you know what? The more people I looked at, the less I felt I was being stared at, and people actually gave way and a man even let me go before him to be served in a shop, and he said, ''I always let the beautiful ladies go first.'' Although it didn't mean he fancied me, but I still felt very complimented.

Wonderful! Since I have been working on making casual eye contact too, this is great to hear. 8)


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23 Jun 2011, 3:48 pm

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Well, today when I went out to a busy town, a tried looking up at more people, and do you know what? The more people I looked at, the less I felt I was being stared at, and people actually gave way . . .

Good for you! :D Yes, I think middle-of-the-road confidence is the way to go, and is the percentage move. (and still working on it myself!)



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23 Jun 2011, 9:25 pm

I can relate to a lot of this. One time I was on break at my local community college. I was in line to get free popcorn. A guy who has just gotten his popcorn shoves past me, nearly making me lose my balance. There was somebody sitting at the table directly behind me. Had I lost my balance and fell, I would have landed on that person. I was so pissed off that I wanted to give him a piece of my mind. But, he had already left and I did not want to create a bunch of chaos.

Last year, my CAD teacher enrolled her whole class in SkillsUSA. Whenever I read a SkillsUSA magazine or wear SkillsUSA attire out in public, I get attitude from quite a few people, mostly glares and stares. This is especially true when it comes to riding the bus. They seem to wonder how someone with AS can be in Skills USA.

I've had people act very rude towards me on buses and at bus termini, both passengers and drivers. I've gotten my fair share of stares and glares from people while riding the bus. I've had somebody try to sit on my stuff twice, and the bus wasn't full both of those times. Once, a bus driver closed the door on me while at the bus terminal, only to open it ten seconds later to let me and the people behind me on. The same driver refused to open the rear door while at the community college. The door was working.

I have received weird looks and stares because of the way I walk.



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23 Jun 2011, 11:59 pm

I am so glad I am big and pissed off crazy looking, people only make fun of me inplaces where they know I won't hit them like in work. I had a co-worker who tormented me a lot see me walking on the other side of Blockbuster video so he ran back out to his car because to get away from me because I told him I would rape him if I ever caught him out of work. I told him it would not be in a gay way but the prison kind of way so he would need to ware diapers for the rest of his life. I told him that in one of my more extreme meltdowns. He was only 5'6" 120 lbs it would have been easy he would have been my prison teddy bear if I caught him. :twisted: Not really but he believed I was going to do it if I got him. :wink:


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