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30 Jun 2011, 10:44 pm

Well, if they were looking at all over brain activity, as in how electrical activity lights up a map of the brain, I'm sure NT's do have 'more' activity. They have more diffuse connections where autism has more concentrated connections thus 'less lights'. They's have to measure brain electrical activity in some equivilent of amps/volts/wattage whatehaveyou to tell exactly how much energy is being output. Looking at where the brain power is going may be an excellent dx tool - many with ASD have had brain scans that confirm this concentration of neural connections. If it could be standardized it could be a definitative, medically accurate diagnosis for autism.

Saying brains with autism are 'less active' is simply... dumb, given what science has already learned.



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30 Jun 2011, 10:59 pm

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That news thing was really short & didn't say much more than what I said. I'm wondering & a little worried at how those findings might could change the way people, docs & psychs perceive autism. People may assume autistics are less intelligent like the so-called experts in my area do I really feel I'm less intelligent than most & probably have less brain activity to. I've had a couple EEGs, MRIs & a CAT-scan done at different points in my life & I 1ce heard that the results were abnormal but nothing was wrong; didn't tell me anything else.I would probably have better luck getting diagnosed from test like that than seeing psychs


Lesser intelligent in what terms? Social activity? Emotional activity?... That doesn't make you less intelligent on dealing with work...

Less intelligent compared to NTs with most everything. I do not have the special skills with intelligence Aspies are stereotyped to have; the average NT is a lot better with science, math & technology than me. I have lots of learning problems & am a slow learner. I have little imagination, I have problems understanding things most Aspies & NTs can easily grasp. I feel kind of like I'm the main character in movies Orgamzo & Cannibal The Musical; I am a clueless idiot sometimes. My brain feels really slow or like it's in a fog a lot


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30 Jun 2011, 11:52 pm

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Even without brain EEG tests it is a common perception that neurotypicals can think faster and learn faster. Therefore autistic people are regarded by neurotypicals as boderline ret*ds and are discriminated against as far as educational and work training opportunites go. The computer industry makes the same mistake and markets computers based on processing speed and memory with no research going into artificial neural nets with intelligence based on the massive number of interconnections between each neuron. Big numbers sell computers rather than real artificial intelligence capability.

I have always argued that autistics are much more likely to operate at a genius level than are neurotypicals. But of course neurotypicals love to refute me claiming that they are faster learners and can memorize more information and do not forget as easy. Neurotypicals are especially infuriated when a person that they dismiss as a Forest Gump can outperform them intellectually so they assume that this person must have cheated.

Until these issues are resolved, and until more autistics are recognized as the geniuses that they are, autistics will continue to face incredible amounts of discrimination.



you mean we all learn slowly and have a crap memory? is this really part of aspergers?



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30 Jun 2011, 11:53 pm

nick007 wrote:
pree10shun wrote:
nick007 wrote:
That news thing was really short & didn't say much more than what I said. I'm wondering & a little worried at how those findings might could change the way people, docs & psychs perceive autism. People may assume autistics are less intelligent like the so-called experts in my area do I really feel I'm less intelligent than most & probably have less brain activity to. I've had a couple EEGs, MRIs & a CAT-scan done at different points in my life & I 1ce heard that the results were abnormal but nothing was wrong; didn't tell me anything else.I would probably have better luck getting diagnosed from test like that than seeing psychs


Lesser intelligent in what terms? Social activity? Emotional activity?... That doesn't make you less intelligent on dealing with work...

Less intelligent compared to NTs with most everything. I do not have the special skills with intelligence Aspies are stereotyped to have; the average NT is a lot better with science, math & technology than me. I have lots of learning problems & am a slow learner. I have little imagination, I have problems understanding things most Aspies & NTs can easily grasp. I feel kind of like I'm the main character in movies Orgamzo & Cannibal The Musical; I am a clueless idiot sometimes. My brain feels really slow or like it's in a fog a lot

better diet helps. get the nutritional typing book from the mercola site. regardless of what you think about him he knows a lot about diet based on my experience.



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01 Jul 2011, 8:24 am

I think the difference between real autism and aspergers is huge and how large the spectrum is shouldnt be forgotten. Looking at what people write on here alot of the people seem to have aspergers which has benefits typically along with some social difficulties. Whilst people with autism have more negatives....like less thoughts. Either way the spectrum is huge.



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01 Jul 2011, 9:07 am

There has been some preliminary research that suggests that people with HFA/AS may have reduced activity in their Medial Prefrontal Cortex, and also some mirror neurons compared to NTs, which may both impact on their ability to flexibly navigate social situations with NTs and understand presuppositions and assumptions about various social contexts in a rapid manner.

I'm not sure if reduced activity in the Medical Prefrontal Cortex also contributes to the Executive Dysfunction (to various degrees) experienced by many on the Autism Spectrum, but I'm pretty sure that some portion of the Prefrontal Cortex (or neurotransmitter levels/receptor activity) has to be affected in ASD individuals as the Executive Functions (to access "higher order thinking" such as planning, dealing with rapid changes and organization) are primarily operated by the Prefrontal Cortex.



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01 Jul 2011, 10:19 am

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I think this sounds like BS propaganda.

I agree



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01 Jul 2011, 10:28 am

My brain is very active. This is why I can't stop thinking, and it's also why I get so agitated all the time. Also, I can't do a job where I'm just sitting there at a till waiting to serve customers all day. For one thing I find interaction with customers hard, and for another thing, my mind is too optimistic. I like to be doing something, like sitting at a computer doing assignments, et cetera. Not too much rushing about and physical multitasking, but not too much having to sit there staring at the walls all day. I need to be sitting but still busily doing something.


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01 Jul 2011, 11:53 am

mrj wrote:
I think the difference between real autism and aspergers is huge and how large the spectrum is shouldnt be forgotten. Looking at what people write on here alot of the people seem to have aspergers which has benefits typically along with some social difficulties. Whilst people with autism have more negatives....like less thoughts. Either way the spectrum is huge.


Well is aspergers fake autism? I think everything on the spectrum is real......there are just different variations. And maybe I am just one of the unlucky ones but I really don't have very many benifits. I think I did aqquire the higher intelligence as In its impossible for me not to critically think about everything I think about but all that is frusterate me because half the time I don't know what to do with that when I fail at so many other things. Not to mention I also have a tendency to over-analize everything.



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01 Jul 2011, 12:07 pm

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. The computer industry makes the same mistake and markets computers based on processing speed and memory with no research going into artificial neural nets with intelligence based on the massive number of interconnections between each neuron. Big numbers sell computers rather than real artificial intelligence capability.

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It's OT but that's probably because most computer purchasers would rather have more memory and faster processing, not artificial intelligence. It is the very rare home or work application where artificial intelligence is more important than processing speed and memory.