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09 Jul 2011, 7:37 pm

In conversation I can go from little delay to fairly extreme (I think my therapist let me suffer for about 30 seconds once before she changed the parameters of the question she asked me that prompted my inability to respond).

When I'm in a totally unexpected unscripted social situation I might run off scripts to pretend to be involved while I try to process what I am hearing, but I may say things I do not agree with while doing so because I am not fully aware of the context of what I'm responding to. Sometimes I just don't say anything.



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09 Jul 2011, 9:04 pm

For any cognitive task, it takes me approximately twice as long as it takes the average NT. This is true for almost anything, whether it's something simple, such as identifying the color of a fruit shown in a picture, something memory related, like recalling the names of the first 5 presidents, or something like finding the derivative of f(x) = 3x^2 + 4x + 7. It is obvious that this applies to social interactions too, because I often fail to respond quickly. I have also noticed it to be a problem when I'm driving; I sometimes come up to an intersection and have to think for a few seconds before I know what's going on.

There are a few things that I'm not actually slower at, such as word problems in math classes. I can take a real life situation, such as calculating gas mileage, and almost intuitively know what I need to do to the numbers to get the desired result. With these sort of problems, I'm actually faster than the average person. Other things, like designing floor plans in CAD, are about equal.

Sometimes I suspect that this delay really doesn't exist at all. Perhaps I'm not slower, but I just can't multitask. Because any distraction is extremely detrimental to my train of thought, it makes it seem as if I think slower, when I actually do not. In order to compensate for this, only things that I can do extremely well as compared to the rest of the population can I actually do at the same speed.


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09 Jul 2011, 10:19 pm

Adamantus wrote:
TTRSage wrote:
The cognitive delays that come with AS are quite common and in my opinion is one of the factors that lies at the very root of so many of the other effects of AS...


Interesting. I have also experienced the longer delays. It's like you listen to what someone else says and then sometimes years later you realise what they mean. I tend to think of this like a digital camera. An NT is like a normal digital camera. Take the picture, get it on the screen straight away with all the benefits of speed, an autistic is like the same camera but with the exposure set really long. You get the picture back with loads more detail but by then it may be out of date information. I find I get home and realise what I should have said as an answer but too late.


After reading your post, I thought of another example in which I experienced a nine month delay. About a year ago I was telling a therapist I see occasionally that I felt love for someone, but what I meant was a deep platonic kind of love and not a sexual love. I began to feel a sexual love about 7 or 8 months later after this person seemed to show a sexual interest in me. Anyhow, the therapist automatically presumed a sexual love from the start and based all of her comments on that view. It was not until a couple of months ago that I was finally able to get the truth said to this therapist. I had realized that she misunderstood my original meaning, but it took me nine months to fully conceptualize it enough to get the words out.



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10 Jul 2011, 3:52 am

TTRSage wrote:
After reading your post, I thought of another example in which I experienced a nine month delay. About a year ago I was telling a therapist I see occasionally that I felt love for someone, but what I meant was a deep platonic kind of love and not a sexual love. I began to feel a sexual love about 7 or 8 months later after this person seemed to show a sexual interest in me. Anyhow, the therapist automatically presumed a sexual love from the start and based all of her comments on that view. It was not until a couple of months ago that I was finally able to get the truth said to this therapist. I had realized that she misunderstood my original meaning, but it took me nine months to fully conceptualize it enough to get the words out.


I think you'll get quicker though. I find myself trying to challenge myself to get to the answer quicker when someone else speaks. Ok it's not until I get home that day that the answer comes through but it's a lot better than 3 years! And before I remember being locked into that thought for that amount of time. You just think it's normal to keep thinking about what that person said, over and over and over until finally bang! It made sense to you.



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10 Jul 2011, 4:17 am

This is interesting. I'd never thought about it before but people have even said this to me before. Example: I hurt myself...five...four....three....two....one...."Ouch." I've got weird looks for that one.

I hate games like rounders because if I end up having to get the ball, it takes me so long to figure out where I'm meant to throw it- everybody is screaming at me to throw it to a certain place but I don't realise what they're saying- and by the time I throw the ball kind of pathetically, once I've figured out the right place...well, it's not the right place anymore and everybody's glaring at me. To add to this it doesn't help when you can't see where the posts are and can't remember who's at which post, and when the teacher tells you to only hold the bat in one hand but you don't realise what he's said until you're out, and you can't work out quickly enough where to run to and where the ball is and where the other batters are and remember the exact rules....

^^ Sorry for the little rant up there, just something that gets on my nerves :P



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10 Jul 2011, 6:42 am

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This is interesting. I'd never thought about it before but people have even said this to me before. Example: I hurt myself...five...four....three....two....one...."Ouch." I've got weird looks for that one.

I hate games like rounders because if I end up having to get the ball, it takes me so long to figure out where I'm meant to throw it- everybody is screaming at me to throw it to a certain place but I don't realise what they're saying- and by the time I throw the ball kind of pathetically, once I've figured out the right place...well, it's not the right place anymore and everybody's glaring at me. To add to this it doesn't help when you can't see where the posts are and can't remember who's at which post, and when the teacher tells you to only hold the bat in one hand but you don't realise what he's said until you're out, and you can't work out quickly enough where to run to and where the ball is and where the other batters are and remember the exact rules....

^^ Sorry for the little rant up there, just something that gets on my nerves :P


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10 Jul 2011, 9:57 am

I usually have great responses to questions and conversations.



Unfortunately, they usually occur hours or days later... :roll:



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10 Jul 2011, 10:58 am

I was actually hoping for more information on the subject.



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10 Jul 2011, 11:12 am

Yeah I have that issue...lol my sister seems to have the opposite she processes really fast and if things slow down too much she seems to get anxious, not sure what it is but its like she always has to be doing something, her and my brother both tend to talk fast. But yeah it kind of takes me a minute to figure out what to say or process if someone is talking to me or whatever......I get it, it just takes a minute.



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10 Jul 2011, 12:08 pm

Interesting.

Question--->think--->think--->silently formulate a response---->respond.
This pattern, is, I believe, common to introverts of all brands. NT and Aspie alike.

However, I suspect, the visual,/ emotional AS version continues something like this:
During the conversation my right hemisphere registers emotional duress/discomfort.
Increased adrenaline causes the unpleasant event to register in full in my memory.
Later, in private, I run the video, and feel the pain, over and over again. And because I don't know where the pain is coming from:
I review words, facial expressions, movements, check everything for multiple possible meanings, consider obsevable outcomes......and eventually,
My left hemisphere catches up, and explains to me, (or perhaps, confabulates), that I'm in pain, because the person I was talking to, saw me as substandard, or some how wrong as a human.
Then I do it again..... everything. Over, and over again, and again, and again and.....
THEN....., at some point, early or late, I have a very delayed, very emotional, unstoppable, meltdown.

Ruminatious OCD/Perseveration/Internal Visual Hyperfocus....call it what you will: what it amounts to, for me anyway, is compulsive desire to understand.
Probably, just a common survival mechanism that bites one unendingly in the as*.
But without the ability to do it in the moment----We, or rather, some of us, end up avoiding the people/painful situations in the first place.
These are the Aspies, or some of them, who end up sliding under the quilt in early adulthood, and reading for years. Escaping yes, but also trying to understand.

Visual rumination will tear you up. Day after day after day...after......before......after.......before....after.....today.
And they wonder why we retreat.

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10 Jul 2011, 12:15 pm

OneStepBeyond wrote:
i have this too even though and i'm far from stupid sometimes it makes me feel/look it. i didn't realise it was related until quite recently.

&i enjoyed reading this post:

TTRSage wrote:
The cognitive delays that come with AS are quite common and in my opinion is one of the factors that lies at the very root of so many of the other effects of AS. It probably isn't given enough research because I think it is of huge significance. With me the duration varies and is usually quite mild if present at all, but at times it can take me hours or even a whole day to fully comprehend what I have just experienced. I always dislike being forced to make quick decisions (unless it is something I can do by instinct alone, in which case I am usually lightning fast) because I know that I will probably change my mind once the thought has been fully processed.

One example that stands out in my mind happened about a year ago when a doctor talked me into allowing him to run a CAT scan on me to satisfy his curiosity following a totally botched diagnosis at which time two CAT scans adn an MRI scan were run on me. I had a mild intestinal infection that was eventually fixed with a $35 bottle of oral antibiotics plus real food, but the doctors fabricated a flawed diagnosis of pancreatitis. Anyhow, I initially agreed to the extra CAT scan, but less than a day later felt totally opposed to it and absolutely refused to accept it.

In 1995 a lover dumped me in favor of a wealthy barhopper. At the time he wanted to still be my friend but not my lover and I half agreed. By the time he got home 30 minutes later and called me, the thought of it registered in my mind and I could not bear the thought of being that extra person who was only an optional accessory after 15 months of emotions. I told him so and he could not understand why since 30 minutes earlier I had agreed to just be a friend from that point on.

I have a video of another Aspie that shows this delay measurably (2 seconds in that case). Our paths crossed and he looked back at me at which time I waved to him. He did not react, turned around and walked on forward. Two seconds later he turned back around to look at me again and waved to me in response to my wave to him two seconds earlier.


I hate to say this, but this has happened to ME also. 8-( I generally try to plan out what I will get in a store before I am there, for example. If I slip up, I may have to decide in the store. I will walk aimlessly for a minute or so to avoid standing in the store for a few seconds browsing it mentally. Some of my other problems are due to jokes, scams, and things like the flinch games, that make me hesitate. Some INSTINCTS are just MUTED! The only other time that people have said anythng about delay is when I have a slight delay in answering on the phone which is amplified by the delay in receiving the message. As for the person taking 2 seconds to wave, maybe it is because with NTs, it is almost INSTINCT! With a person with AS, they may have a SLIGHT delay, figure it may not be for them, etc... or may be thinking of something else. LATER, they may realize it is rude, look back, find it WAS for them, and return the wave.



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10 Jul 2011, 12:28 pm

I have epiphanies like this, hours, days, months even years later.

Something then clicks and I realise what I'd missed at the time.

Like jokes...my mind must keep processing until I get them,( if ever)



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12 Jul 2011, 12:25 am

I am a slow thinker as well as a slow talker! That's probably why, in the past, I have been called ret*d as well as weird, etc.... :x :(


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12 Jul 2011, 12:47 am

It's more a processing delay than a thought delay. Well, in my case it is. When I'm talking to somebody I am still thinking subconsciously, even though I might not be having actual thoughts. I don't really know how to explain it but my eyes will focus on something the person is wearing and then one conscious thought escapes, and I have to redirect my attention back to the person.

Sometimes I really struggle to reply when someone asks me something that I don't expect. It's like a have this list of possible things they might say in my mind but then it gets a big strike through it after they say something completely different. I really hate that.


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12 Jul 2011, 1:10 am

The pressure of real time social situations, multi-processing and emotional responses not triggering until later.



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12 Jul 2011, 1:43 am

I have often been accused of ignoring people when in fact I haven't yet replied because I'm still trying to digest what's been said to me. Whilst most people seem to have an immediate response, opinion or gut feeling it takes me some considerable time to understand what was said and how I feel about it. Even when I know how I feel then is then another delay whilst I formulate a satisfactory sentence structure.