Why do Aspies not know what to do with their arms?

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22 Jul 2011, 3:39 pm

*cough* I'm 31 and still sleep with a teddybear, because I don't know what to do with my arms at night. I can't have them extended in front of me, that would be weird :? Or can you pretend to embrace yourself ? even weirder.
When I have a bit of stress, I start fiddling with my hands and fingers. And even when I'm at ease, I like to put pressure on my hands or fingers, probably because I like to feel them.
I also sit with my legs crossed, or even double-crossed all the time. It's also a pressure-thing, i think.

I have more problems with my way of walking. I have no automatic walking/running routine, i just have to figure out every aspect of the walking/running movement at the time that I'm doing it, like when to lift next leg, when to put it down, how to lift toes. It sucks, really :(



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22 Jul 2011, 3:55 pm

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It's because during some activities the arms are not necessary. We tend to not to do things without a reason, and therefore, when we don't need our arms, we don't do anything with them, which, can be kinda awkward.


I like this explanation, I think it fits for me. So I guess we overthink body language as well - no subconscious gestures, just deliberate ones? That would explain why in photographs I am told I generally have a forced smile that my NT mother complains is a grimace.



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22 Jul 2011, 4:13 pm

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*cough* I'm 31 and still sleep with a teddybear, because I don't know what to do with my arms at night. I can't have them extended in front of me, that would be weird :? Or can you pretend to embrace yourself ? even weirder.
When I have a bit of stress, I start fiddling with my hands and fingers. And even when I'm at ease, I like to put pressure on my hands or fingers, probably because I like to feel them.
I also sit with my legs crossed, or even double-crossed all the time. It's also a pressure-thing, i think.

I have more problems with my way of walking. I have no automatic walking/running routine, i just have to figure out every aspect of the walking/running movement at the time that I'm doing it, like when to lift next leg, when to put it down, how to lift toes. It sucks, really :(

Nice to know! I'm 16 & I do the same thing.



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22 Jul 2011, 4:16 pm

What do NTs do with their arms?

The two things I know I do with my arms are swinging them while walking and putting my hands in my pockets. When talking to someone, I make gestures, like air pictures of what is in my mind, as visual aids to verbal communication. But other than that, I'm not sure what I do with my arms.



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22 Jul 2011, 4:22 pm

I always feel awkward about my arms. I don't know what to do with them if I'm not doing something.

It was kind of funny, when I was first telling people that I thought I was autistic, one guy (who I thought was really negative about autistic people - turns out he was not) asked me "Do you ever not know what to do with your hands?" and I had not heard that particular aspect before, but it totally fits.



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22 Jul 2011, 4:45 pm

I never know what to do with my hands. I remember noticing in like 4th or 5th grade that I didn't swing my arms when I walked or ran. I had to teach myself to do this consciously. Many other actions and postures did not come naturally to me. Nowadays I just hold my own hands or arms sometimes so that they don't just hang there, sometimes in front of me or behind me.


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22 Jul 2011, 5:42 pm

I went to Catholic school unitl the eighth grade and I think that may have been a big reason my struggles weren't so obvious. It was STRUCTURE. In capital letters. The same uniform everyday took the hassle out of getting dressed. Strict routine that rarely, if ever, changed. We even got warnings when the fire drills would occur. Desks in nice neat rows. Everyone expected to sit at the their desk and fold their hands together if they had nothing else to do with them because 'idle hands are the devil's playthings'. I default to folding my hands together because of this. I feel awkward doing it and occassionally someone will comment on it. I can truthfully respond, 'Catholic school habits die hard'. I usually get looks of pity for that. It's better than fidgeting uncomfortably.

But I also attribute my neat handwriting to Catholic school too. They'd make you practice until your hand felt like falling off.



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22 Jul 2011, 5:54 pm

syrella wrote:
I never know what to do with my hands. I remember noticing in like 4th or 5th grade that I didn't swing my arms when I walked or ran. I had to teach myself to do this consciously. Many other actions and postures did not come naturally to me. Nowadays I just hold my own hands or arms sometimes so that they don't just hang there, sometimes in front of me or behind me.


I had to teach myself to swing my arms too.

I also sleep with a teddy or 2 otherwise I don't know where to put my arms in bed



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22 Jul 2011, 5:58 pm

When I was little, I wanted to sleep with my stuffed puppy, but I couldn't ever fall asleep when I was holding something in my arms! I feel like I missed out a little.



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22 Jul 2011, 5:59 pm

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But I also attribute my neat handwriting to Catholic school too. They'd make you practice until your hand felt like falling off.


Huh, really? For me that's only a paragraph or two. :(



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22 Jul 2011, 6:05 pm

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But I also attribute my neat handwriting to Catholic school too. They'd make you practice until your hand felt like falling off.


Huh, really? For me that's only a paragraph or two. :(


My fine motor skills are okay. I'm clumsy as hell in general but I've been drawing since I was 9 months old. Drawing <i>obsessively</i> since I was 9 months old. I'm sure that has alot to do with it.



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22 Jul 2011, 6:07 pm

draelynn wrote:
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But I also attribute my neat handwriting to Catholic school too. They'd make you practice until your hand felt like falling off.


Huh, really? For me that's only a paragraph or two. :(


My fine motor skills are okay. I'm clumsy as hell in general but I've been drawing since I was 9 months old. Drawing <i>obsessively</i> since I was 9 months old. I'm sure that has alot to do with it.


Drawing and handwriting seem to me to be two different skills - while I'm not great at the drawing, it is better than my handwriting.

Also, I've never been able to alleviate the pain from handwriting.



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22 Jul 2011, 6:13 pm

I’m just too fidgety. I simply can’t stop moving.



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22 Jul 2011, 7:12 pm

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Do you mean when we're standing and walking about in the street, or do you mean when we're talking to people and using hand expressions?

I am OK when talking to people, but when I'm standing or walking, I never know what to do with my hands. I keep one hand on the strap of my handbag and the other hand down by my side, but sometimes I feel very awkward with this hand because I feel that I should move it sometimes, so I tend to keep touching my face or something like that. I don't like to just stand there stock still like a statue all the time.

I do this too. When I walk to places with a bag, I often have to hold my bag strap to keep one hand occupied & I feel kind of uncomfortable about the other one. Same goes for walking. I feel this more when I'm around people though, rather than going down an empty street.

Edit: When I put my hand in a pocket, I often end up tearing up tissues in that pocket. Does anyone else do this?



This is an ASD trait? I do the same exact things! but I usually have my arms crossed when I talk to people, and might move them. I usually keep a cell phone in my hand, or keep my hand on my bookbag straps, or in my jacket pockets, or if I don't have either, I have to scratch my hair, rub my chin hair, something.



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22 Jul 2011, 7:24 pm

Verdandi wrote:
draelynn wrote:
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draelynn wrote:
But I also attribute my neat handwriting to Catholic school too. They'd make you practice until your hand felt like falling off.


Huh, really? For me that's only a paragraph or two. :(


My fine motor skills are okay. I'm clumsy as hell in general but I've been drawing since I was 9 months old. Drawing <i>obsessively</i> since I was 9 months old. I'm sure that has alot to do with it.


Drawing and handwriting seem to me to be two different skills - while I'm not great at the drawing, it is better than my handwriting.

Also, I've never been able to alleviate the pain from handwriting.


My daughter has the same issue with her handwriting. Her OT attributes it to her dyspraxia.

The drawing and writing, for me, are very much the same skill. At least, it feels as if they are. I learned letters the same way I learned to draw. When I write, stream of thought, in the moment, my handwriting gets progressively worse. Whenever I needed to write assignments in school I would write it once on scrap paper and then copy out neatly. When doing lettering, like calligraphy or sign making, it's beautiful. So, I guess I should have clarified - when I'm copying I have very nice handwriting.

Interestingly enough, my daughter has a learning disability in writing. She has alot of trouble in stream of thought writing - her handwriting suffers to the point of illegibility. But copying, she can be fairly neat. She simply has a disconnect in doing both things at the same time. And I'm wondering why I didn't put that together before right now... :(



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22 Jul 2011, 7:28 pm

Yes, dysgraphia is a learning disability, and one that I have.

I can draw letters too, but it's not writing, in my opinion.