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03 Aug 2011, 6:08 am

Everybody does those things, smart or dumb, NT or not. I grew up in a tough place in a family that fought everyday. I went from being an overly sensitive girl who'd burst into tears about everything, to someone who never cry in about 3 years. Eventually my skin got thick enough that I didn't feel embarrassed at all when people are pointing out my mistakes. Sometimes I wonder if I did not have an explosive mother, critical friends, cranky teachers, I might still be a wimpy person.

I'm sure you'll outgrow the feeling with more "practice". :) Although guilt is very good at preventing further mistakes, you can totally learn to do the right things without guilt.


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03 Aug 2011, 7:12 am

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When I was 14, (at the end of year 9), I did something socially cringing. I got a little friendly liking to a crowd of girls who I didn't really know, but I know of them, because their form room was in the room next door to ours. And I wanted to be part of their crowd, since they always hung around together in a 6. I always wanted to be part of a crowd, and I wanted to show all the girls in my class that I can make friends of my own (since the girls in my class didn't really want me around. They felt embarrassed to hang around with me :cry: - then people wonder why I have being an Aspie so much!). So I looked for this crowd of 6 girls who I wanted to be mates with, and I discovered that their ''hanging out'' spot was at the bottom of the school field. I sat on my own nearby, and they just sat talking about things in general (they weren't the type of girls to keep saying ''like'' between every other word, and they didn't talk about make-up and celebraties either). They were friendly, and said a few words to me, being that I was nearby, so I shuffled along to their group and joined in their chatting and laughing. They didn't seem to mind. Then I walked back to our form rooms with them, and we were all chatting, and one of them seemed happy about me being in their group. And I did not misinterpret anything, because I know when somebody is happy when I'm around, because I was so used to people being unhappy when I was around at school, so people being happy was a nice surprise for me. I didn't intensely stick in their pockets, but I did occasionally speak to them and sat with them at lunchtime the next day, but about 2 days later, they crept off to the office and told on me for trying to be their friend. I followed them to the office, and they went inside but I obviously didn't go in there with them, so I waited outside. The staff in there must have let them creep out of another door to avoid me, and then I got called into the office and one of the women in there had a chat with me (I wasn't in trouble). So these girls were freaked out by me, and didn't want them following me and trying to be their friend. I felt very silly afterwards. One good thing is, they didn't bully me at all, because they weren't the sort. But I suppose I don't blame them. Teenagers are still immature at 14, and it's a funny age, and I think any schoolchild would be freaked out if a stranger kept following them around the school. But I felt SO silly, and every time I think about it now, I still cringe and tell myself how much I hate myself for doing that.


I basically did something like that with a girl I liked. It lasted way longer than it should have. I'm sure she was both creeped out and embarrassed.


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03 Aug 2011, 7:31 am

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I've lost count of the number of silly things that I've done over the years.
The worst times have been when I'm in a group being given instructions.
Everybody else has "got it" first time but I'm left thinking "OMG, I don't know what to do".
I have a terrible short term memory which doesn't help.


My two oldest have social anxiety (only one is an aspie, though). Both of them have had trouble with this. It took a while to get them to speak up and go the extra mile without feeling ashamed to make sure they understood the material. I have no problem reminding a teacher that it's their job to teach, even the ones who don't understand their brilliant lesson the first time around, but my oldest (now in high school) has no trouble gently reminding his own teachers of this fact.



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03 Aug 2011, 7:34 am

y-pod wrote:
Everybody does those things, smart or dumb, NT or not.


Like most things which are posted on this forum.

y-pod wrote:
I'm sure you'll outgrow the feeling with more "practice". :) Although guilt is very good at preventing further mistakes, you can totally learn to do the right things without guilt.


Bingo!



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03 Aug 2011, 10:43 am

I know NTs can do the wrong things at times. My cousin is NT, and he's very clumsy. He even broke our door-handle once just by shutting it. But then people still really like him and he is socially accepted and never looked upon, because he is the type who is really popular and outgoing, so sometimes being like that can kind of erase any quirks you have. But with me, I have so many strange quirks or habits, and because I'm quiet aswell and will never be popular, people only seem to remember me by my faults.

NTs are lucky in a way, because most can be nice enough to be friends with, but still be assertive enough to avoid being walked all over. Obviously not all NTs are like this, but a lot are, especially throughout school life, where they all stick together and can recognise how another person is just like that. For me it is a lot harder, because I am ''too nice'' to people, and I completely let people walk all over me because I'm scared to be assertive and stand up for myself, because I'm scared I'll do or say the wrong thing, or it might be at the wrong time in the wrong place, and I'm just scared it's going to make me feel awkward.

It's so difficult!! !! !! !! !! !! !


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03 Aug 2011, 11:02 am

@Joe90: IMO, you have nothing to "cringe" about regarding that incident. Those girls acted very immaturely. Why couldn't they just be up-front with you rather than running to the principal? Sheesh. Sorry if I sound harsh, but at the age of 14 THEY should have known better than that. You weren't threatening them.

@wefunction: it took me until 9th grade to know enough to ask questions about an assignment that was unclear (geometry class, to be precise, with some prodding from my mom).

@Maje, @y-pod: YES. It does just take practice, trial and error, etc. :) To this day, I still make social errors (usually talking too much and/or too fast, which puts people off) but I don't worry too much about it afterwards. I still think other people should come right out and say "Excuse me, but the way you are talking is a bit much." No. Rather, people will act like everything is okay and then not talk to me for weeks (similar to what Joe90 described).

"Wrong" and "right" are relative terms. And yes (to whichever poster said this): why is it that when NT's make similar errors it's "okay"? I hate double standards.


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03 Aug 2011, 11:52 am

It seems that most NT women I know fuss over wearing the right clothes for the right environment, but still look presentable. At my vollunteer job at the charity shop, the other women there are like, ''I don't want to wear my nice things to come here in, in case I get them dirty or torn or something'', but then they still come in wearing clothes that I would classify ''really nice clothes''.
But it seems that I pick out the first top I see out of the wardrobe.

I really, really, really, really wish that clothes weren't such a big deal with NT women. My mum would rather walk out in shoes that hurt just to ''look good'', than to wear comfortable shoes and ''not look so good''. I go for comfort, but I suppose it's ''wrong'' in the conformism world.


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03 Aug 2011, 12:21 pm

Joe90 wrote:
My mum would rather walk out in shoes that hurt just to ''look good'', than to wear comfortable shoes and ''not look so good''. I go for comfort, but I suppose it's ''wrong'' in the conformism world.


Ditto. I go for comfort in everything I wear.


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04 Aug 2011, 3:48 pm

Just saying whatever is on my mind at the wrong moments. I have a general understanding or what is appropriate and not appropriate. Sometimes I forget my manners, though.
I go for comfort in my clothing, too, while at the same time, trying to look not sloppy.
I also just have a problem with being really childish. I'm turning twenty in three years and I still act like I'm ten years old...


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04 Aug 2011, 4:10 pm

Sometimes I can't always be bothered to be mature. But then I get criticised about it, which is my pet peeve, so I just have to act mature.


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