What is Classic Autism?

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i gave a very over simplified explaination

Oversimplified enough that it became factually inaccurate. Some of Kanner's patients are indistinguishable from Hans Asperger's patients.

I know it's sort of more severe than AS, although that too depends on how severe the AS is, but a lot of people actuallly say it means severe as in non verbal, or very much impeard even if verbal. One example was the boy in a documentary on Channel 4 in the UK, called "Youngf Autistic & Stagestruck"! It said he had Classic Autism because he is very impeard, not profound by ny means, but impeard & it didn't say that with any of the others, even though they defitly didn't sem to be all aspergers or PDD or something except for him. Theree was another boy who they said had severe autism, which seemed to indicate that, that's even worse.. I guess by Classic they meant, just like what Lio Kanner discovered, as profound is even worse than that.

Yeah.

PDD-NOS does not mean that the type is unknown at all. It means that the diagnostic criteria for a diagnosis of autistic disorder or Asperger's disorder are not met, but that there is clinically significant impairment in social, communication, and/or interests/behaviors. PDD-NOS is a type of autism unto itself; it is not misdiagnosed AS or autistic disorder.

severe AS could overlap a bit with mild classic autism that true.i dont mean this a criticism but dont take doctors labels so seriously a lot of times doctors labels are outdated and irelivent,do your own research and come to your own conclusions.however reading kanner,asperger,langdon down and bettleheim is still good and there info is still valueble.einstein disproved many of newtons and galaleo's theories but he had to master there theories first before he could improve upon them

you are very right,by speech delay what is meant is just learning to talk.almost all people with aspergers misuse there speech and struggle with verbal comunication.i was in my 30' before i started to understand people words beyond the literal and im still confused with slang.when the movie slum dog milionaire came out i thought it was a dog movie like 101 dalmations or beverly hills chuahwa.your totaly right

BTW, this is what someone on youtube says Classic Autism is.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfr6DKuDBWE[/youtube]

You know guys, it's a lot easier and probably more acurrate that up untill the upcoming DSM V merger of AS and Kanner autism, professionals have essentially being going "inny miny miney mo" when they choose to diagnose you with one or the other, theres a bunch of conflicting dx's, that autistic disorder must have a low IQ, speech delay, be more severe etc is all bullhookey when you can point to people on this very forum "diagnosed" with it who have none of that, and there are people with aspergers who are more severe then the HFA's.

I find it much more conveniant to just say: for the last 70 years professionals were winging it, and now we have a collage of diagnoses that make no sense in some cases.

i agree and look forward to the new system.i do like to read the old writings because you have to understand the rules before you can break them.for example we all know bruno bettleheims theory about autism being caused by bad parenting is totaly false.however some of his observations about parents of autistic children make a good case for autism being genetic.so the empty fortress by bettleheim is good to read if your argueing with people who think autism is caused by vacines or mercury or whatever

Classic Autism is Kanners or Autistic Disorder (same thing). Just as people with Aspergers can have different levels of severity, so too can people with Autism (classic).

Sorry if I seemed like I was on your case - I just tend to get highly invested in accuracy on this topic.

SuperTrouper, you fit the criteria almost exactly the same as I do, except I'm diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, instead of Classic Autism.
I think there were only 1 or 2 differences in where we fit it.....Hmmm...

http://www.autism-world.com/index.php/2 ... nd-causes/

actually severity is relevant. What one person thinks is unbearable, another find tolerable.
A person with classic autism can suffer less than one with aspergers...that has been proven on here before.

example some aspie guys here are ready to kill themselves cause they cant seem to attract and secure a mate for a long term relationship.

me, on the other hand, am asexual...so even though I have trouble keeping the interest of decent people...and seem to attract the pervs. I dont let it bother me cause my special interest, art, is my first love anyway
meanwhile I have PDD-with classic autism traits (the only thing that kept me from the dx of classic autism was imagintive play was my special interest) and the other people I was talking about have aspergers.

From what I have seen on here, those with aspergers really have a harder time than some of those with classic or HFA because some of those with classic and HFA dont really care about socializing to the extent that those with aspergers do. To those with aspergers, there is this glass wall between them and others they are franticly trying to get past and the harder they try...the more others are driven away.
Meanwhile, people like me...I prefer to be alone. I can socialize...but I like to do it in small doses.
Humanity in general confuses the mess out of me.
Writing is the best way I communicate...in person...sometimes I make no sense.

But PDD is a form of autism...it just means that a part of the critera was not met..but overall symptoms are autistic. Very few people on average fit the critera square in the middle, so I am in favor of the DSM-V
sliding scale of ASD. It is really all one thing anyway, just different manifestions of it.

But classic verses aspergers has more to do with developmental delays present in classic that are not present in aspergers. But severity is is a sliding scale of its own, seperate from the sub-classifications

hope that explains it,

Jojo

Rainman.