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22 Aug 2011, 1:39 am

Generally speaking, if someone divulges to you that you have offended them, and you did not intend to, you should apologize.



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22 Aug 2011, 1:42 am

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Silly is a word I reserve soley for children. When used in regards to an adult it will instantly be seen as a passive aggressive attempt to attack their intelligence and/or understanding of a situation, etc... Perhaps not so passive in the right situation.

I've gotten used to your personal style and I can 'hear' the meaning in your words. I know you are not trying to be blantantly offensive to anyone. But, that blunt offering of an observation is, many times, taken as a direct insult by the more socially aware on this board. And I do have issue with that in regards to this board specifically. Too many people do not stop and rethink their reactions when they feel insulted on this board. Here - more than any other message board - everyone should have the awareness to stop and remember the population they are interacting with and, when in doubt, simply ASK a poster to clarify. Instead of copping an attitude or getting panties in a bunch just simply and plainly ask someone what their intent was. If they are being INTENTIONALLY rude then you can tell them off if you feel the need.

How many of us have suffered from a lack of consideration of our intentions when the words have somehow come out wrong? We simply have no clue what we said wrong yet others are mad, offended, disgusted or simply consider you an a**hole because "how could you not know..." Treat others as you wish to be treated. Reap what you sow. Insert your own favorite, meaningful proverb here...

Facts are not inherently rude. If someone has read too much into an innocent comment and has held a grudge over that misinterpretation - I would call that silly. A simple message asking for intentions and explaining the reaction a suspect comment caused would have been much more helpful, productive and possibly even educational. Acting out on that grudge isn't silly - it's bullying behavior. If you feel the need to 'get someone back' over something less critical than, say, murder then you need to check your priorities.

Karla - darling - you are blunt! As blunt as they come. But everyone here should be helping to guide you and anyone else struggling with the finer points of social interaction as best they can. It's kind of what a support board is for, right?


This.... People have to allow for social mistakes on this board or some of us can simply not participate. I have always appreciated your amazing explanations and awesome social analytical talents.

Sigh RE the word silly. Yet another freak'n word with a "hidden" meaning and rules I have to worry about. How the frock is a person supposed to learn all this stuff? Seriously...

I am a bit tired of all of this right now. I got into more than a few ASD related problems this past month. Somedays I just wish for a cure...



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22 Aug 2011, 1:46 am

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There wasn't a joke in this, K. I do think there should be a warning sent, due to level of your upset. I think your reply was truthful, and probably he was thinking his apology would take differently. He definitely had expectations of something different.

I do get a sense of a lack of respect in some of sw's posts, here and there, with the members/board.

I've seen these exchanges in NT forums, and it is human, so I wouldn't worry about a faux paux.


Huh???? He apologized? Where was this?

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Am I the only that thought this was funny? He actually is right in his argument.

But I get what you're saying. Much of this stuff goes far above my head too.


Which argument is "right"/funny?



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22 Aug 2011, 1:48 am

Chronos wrote:
Generally speaking, if someone divulges to you that you have offended them, and you did not intend to, you should apologize.


How is his statement divulging this message? I read that he is explaining to me why he bullies me on the board (which I never noticed btw). His explanation then makes no sense and references some post that was made ages ago that I have no recollection of. He never says that I offended him. I am supposed to infer that somehow... Mdyar thinks he was apologizing and you think he seeks an apology. Which one is it??? How am I supposed to know?? This is what I mean about having some compasion. Please use low context high content messages when communicating with a moderately affected person with ASD. Anything else is impossible for me to understand. And please refrain from calling me an a**hole when I do not understand. It is how this disorder works on me. I am not proud of it but it is what it is...



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22 Aug 2011, 2:02 am

kfisherx wrote:
Which argument is "right"/funny?


This part.

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You can doubt my intelligence but not my IQ, you see. IQ is a number that cannot be doubted, just as the speed of light in a vacuum is a constant value that cannot be doubted.


I almost woke everyone in the house up because I nearly busted out laughing reading that.

It's funny because he went through all this work, just to tell you that. I can't help but laugh at him.


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22 Aug 2011, 2:12 am

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There wasn't a joke in this, K. I do think there should be a warning sent, due to level of your upset. I think your reply was truthful, and probably he was thinking his apology would take differently. He definitely had expectations of something different.

I do get a sense of a lack of respect in some of sw's posts, here and there, with the members/board.

I've seen these exchanges in NT forums, and it is human, so I wouldn't worry about a faux paux.


Huh???? He apologized? Where was this?

It's a stretch.

He's hung up on your assessment of his I.Q. Thus, he says his behavior has been "antagonistic" since then( March). You didn't acknowledge the error in judgement, hence a name call. I can't be sure of reserved feelings displayed, maybe from "conscience" and giving a half apology, or some kind of other hangup - a big insecurity.
Bottom line : there isn't a joke in all this, I'd guarantee it.



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22 Aug 2011, 3:26 am

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My only suggestion would be.... be careful about what you say. Examine your posts carefully and see if you cant spot anything that might potentially be construed by others as an insult (or just plain rude/mean), even if YOU fully know that you do not mean it that way.

Hopefully I'm being helpful instead of just confusing here. I cant tell.


You are not being confusing... just not helping. I am requesting that we do NOT make it a requirement for me to "be careful" on this board. I am hoping that I do NOT have to examine my every post carefully to see what may or may not be "construde" by others as rude. I do NOT have that ability. I have been on this planet for 48 years and have not picked it up. Congratulations all of you who do understand this other person's perspective and have the ability to integrate more readily on forums. I wish I could. I simply cannot. As a result of my disability I largely avoid any forums or sites that are not related very specifically to high tech as I cannot seem to stop from offending people elsewhere when I post. I get along fine in high tech and am largely understood here on this board. I was hoping that we could all agree to give people on this forum the benefit of the doubt in these more "blunt" messages and to have a bit of compasion for the fact that some of us are simply not able to step up in the same ways as others. So can we please just make the logical assumption on this board that some of us have ASD and cannot see these "social" mistakes without resorting to name calling?

That's all I am asking...

BTW: With respect to that supposed IQ remark. I have NO recollection of this first post to which he refers so cannot defend myself. Again... I really do not care about something that happened so long ago that he never called me out on at the time but instead played games with me all this time only to eventually send this PM. Makes NO sense.



I remember a couple times of you responding to my posts with a wink smiley at the end. I didn't understand why you winked so I thought "how is that a joke?" and then I thought maybe you put the wink smiley there because you didn't want me to think you were being mean or something so I wouldn't misinterpret your post. If you posted your winks for that reason, that is some ability there you have. The ability to think I might think you were being rude or something so you put the wink there so I wouldn't misinterpret it.


From what I have gathered at age 25, anything people don't like they considered rude. So if you say something to someone and people found it harsh or just didn't like what you had said, they call it rude. So don't worry about it if people accuse you of being rude. I have even noticed NTs do this too because I see it a lot at Babycenter. But I don't know if they are intentionally being rude and they just don't care or they don't know they are being rude. But whatever I see there where people say people are being rude and I can't see it I figured out anything people don't like they call rude. I mostly think they aren't being rude and people just say they are because they don't like what they've read.



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22 Aug 2011, 3:30 am

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There wasn't a joke in this, K. I do think there should be a warning sent, due to level of your upset. I think your reply was truthful, and probably he was thinking his apology would take differently. He definitely had expectations of something different.

I do get a sense of a lack of respect in some of sw's posts, here and there, with the members/board.

I've seen these exchanges in NT forums, and it is human, so I wouldn't worry about a faux paux.


Huh???? He apologized? Where was this?

It's a stretch.

He's hung up on your assessment of his I.Q. Thus, he says his behavior has been "antagonistic" since then( March). You didn't acknowledge the error in judgement, hence a name call. I can't be sure of reserved feelings displayed, maybe from "conscience" and giving a half apology, or some kind of other hangup - a big insecurity.
Bottom line : there isn't a joke in all this, I'd guarantee it.


Its funny that bullies get mad when their victims hadn't noticed they were being picked on. It sounds like a grudge he had been holding.

I also didn't notice the apology either. If he was trying to ask for one too, I guess I am more autistic than I thought. :wink:



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22 Aug 2011, 4:07 am

If he holds grudge against you for this long over such an unimportant incident, than it's a kind of strange. I think he tried to be funny about it to hide this awkwardness behind it, expected a similarly funny/witty reaction from you, not necessarily an apology, and when he didn't get it, he was just plain frustrated. It's my opinion, I may be completely wrong, considering my weaknesses.

The funny part is, for me, that I would hold an anxious feeling only if I assumed I might have been rude with someone, and later send a PM or state in a post my apology over some unimportant, long-forgotten drama... Or, if not, feel conscientious about it.


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22 Aug 2011, 5:36 am

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A few weeks ago I received the following random (just came out of nowhere) PM from Swbluto...

So, how's everything going? I hope everything is going well with you.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that if you were wondering why I'm slightly antagonistic towards you at times, it's because you made the offensive remark in my very first thread on where you were doubting my IQ because my posts were "silly".

You can doubt my intelligence but not my IQ, you see. IQ is a number that cannot be doubted, just as the speed of light in a vacuum is a constant value that cannot be doubted.


My response looked like this....

You assume

1. That I would notice at all
2. That I would care even if I did


Sorry. Neither applies. You obviously have far greater social skills than I so if this is a game or if you are trolling, I am unable to keep up.

Nice chatting...



and for this reply I get called an "a**hole".

Guys, I have stated on numerous occasions that I am socially aloof to a pretty amazing degree and I stated it again in my PM to this person. In fact this person (a regular poster on this board) has amazing social skills and awareness compared to me. I am simply not capable of noticing someone on the internet being "antagonistic" unless it is really in my face (like directly calling me a name which this person never did until this exchange) or if someone else told me about it. And once I did find out about it I would not be able to really care provided I did nothing wrong to them. I spend my energies every day surviving my life and cannot spare them to these sorts of "games"

My request is that on this board that we have some appreciation for the disability that we share even though some of you have much greater skills and that we treat each other with some sort of respect. I would expect this name calling thing from an NT but would hope here that I might find some compassion. If I could take a pill and magically be able to navigate these social fields to your levels, I would. Alas I am stuck as fairly significantly Autistic so please try to give me a break.

Many thanks,
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SWbluto has randomly contacted people before like this.

I would suggest that you tell him if you would rather not recieve PMs from him, and if he persists, let the mods know.

This goes for anyone sending undesired PMs.


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22 Aug 2011, 6:21 am

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Uh isn't intelligence and IQ the same thing?

There is, apparently, a standard joke among psychologists (or whoever administers the damn things) to that effect, defining intelligence as "that property which is measured by IQ tests." In other words, real intelligence is too hard to define, so people invent (or rather co-opt, as it was not the original purpose of the tests) a silly little measuring system - the IQ test - and pretend that that will do.

Short answer: No.


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22 Aug 2011, 6:33 am

IQ means nothing. Even with an IQ of 150 you can still be a complete idiot.


@ OP: It's not an entirely AS thing to not notice other people and their behavior towards you. Me thinks swbluto is just peeved because he's not a blip on your radar like he thought he was, not because you offended him.



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22 Aug 2011, 11:12 am

Thanks guys for weighing in on this and for your support. I think I understand how to handle the incident and I believe it will be only a 1 time thing.

My overall point still stands though for all of you with better abilities to please think about where you are and to try to keep this a "safe" place for all. I sincerly hope that I can continue to be on this board without having to worry about my every post offending people. My intentions are good even if my words read poorly sometimes.



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22 Aug 2011, 11:21 am

If it makes any difference, I'm completely baffled by this entire thing. Had I gotten that PM, I probably would have just ignored it because I wouldn't have known how to respond. It's happened to me here before. However, not responding is probably viewed as rude as well, so who knows?



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22 Aug 2011, 11:38 am

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Thanks guys for weighing in on this and for your support. I think I understand how to handle the incident and I believe it will be only a 1 time thing.

My overall point still stands though for all of you with better abilities to please think about where you are and to try to keep this a "safe" place for all. I sincerly hope that I can continue to be on this board without having to worry about my every post offending people. My intentions are good even if my words read poorly sometimes.


I do want to say this to you. I do not know if you really said that to him or not but if you did I would have a problem myself. Telling him his posts were silly does not tell him anything. If you said that to me I would want you to show me why it looked silly. I would want you to deconstruct my posts and if there was anything wrong in them to please show me where I'm wrong and why I am wrong. From my perspective it is condescending and does not tell me how to alter my thought process and behavior.



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22 Aug 2011, 11:41 am

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If it makes any difference, I'm completely baffled by this entire thing. Had I gotten that PM, I probably would have just ignored it because I wouldn't have known how to respond. It's happened to me here before. However, not responding is probably viewed as rude as well, so who knows?


Actually Zen, I think there are quite a few of us who fall into the same place. If it was just me, I would not make this a public statement. We all (as a community) need to recognize that this disorder affects others differently than it may affect us. We need to exercise compasion and care IMHO as we all (as a community) get "beat up" enough outside of this place for ASD deficiencies...