I'm pretty slow at understanding some things
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ME:"You should thank your lucky stars for not being twice exceptional."
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionality' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
And, yeah. See, I'm not really sure if that was actually an example of a TOM deficit on my part, as I was thinking they had the capability to look up "twice exceptional" if they were clueless. So, that might be a bad example. Or maybe it's a good example of a ToM issue because I tend to overestimate what other people are willing/going to do?

I don't understand at least 1/2 of what you write and I would not have followed this conversation either. I must be NT....

I'm with you on this. None of that made any sense whatsoever.
When you say "that", do you mean this, specifically?
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionality' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
If so, what didn't make sense?
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ME:"You should thank your lucky stars for not being twice exceptional."
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionality' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
And, yeah. See, I'm not really sure if that was actually an example of a TOM deficit on my part, as I was thinking they had the capability to look up "twice exceptional" if they were clueless. So, that might be a bad example. Or maybe it's a good example of a ToM issue because I tend to overestimate what other people are willing/going to do?

I don't understand at least 1/2 of what you write and I would not have followed this conversation either. I must be NT....

I'm with you on this. None of that made any sense whatsoever.
Wait... it's not the "Thank your lucky stars" idiom, is it?
ME:"You should thank your lucky stars for not being twice exceptional."
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionality' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
And, yeah. See, I'm not really sure if that was actually an example of a TOM deficit on my part, as I was thinking they had the capability to look up "twice exceptional" if they were clueless. So, that might be a bad example. Or maybe it's a good example of a ToM issue because I tend to overestimate what other people are willing/going to do?

I don't understand at least 1/2 of what you write and I would not have followed this conversation either. I must be NT....

I'm with you on this. None of that made any sense whatsoever.
When you say "that", do you mean this, specifically?
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionality' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
If so, what didn't make sense?
Everything. I do not understand what you are discussing, the other person's response or your confusion. Maybe there's a whole background to this I'm missing or maybe you don't explain it very well but you may as well been speaking swahili.
I can't help but loosely associate swbluto with traits that appear in ADHD and autism.
And the fuzzy bunny. Bunnies!
Onto a more serious note.
What you described happens to me because of ADHD/selective attention/attention deficit as in I-know-better-but-I-can't-recall-and-process-it-right-now and/or impulsive I-know-better-but-I-impulsively-can't-think-beyond-the-beginning-of-this-thought-right-now sometimes. I'll notice the problem - as soon as I got beyond that impulsive reaction, have recovered my brain from where it's busy playing tag somewhere outside of my head and have thought the thought from beginning to end.
At other times, it's the receptive-expressive language disorder (as part of autism? who knows). I'll often notice the problem if I bother to pause and realise I didn't understand or aren't sure I got it right. I grew up making a point not to bother to pause though which makes this a bit complicated...
And sometimes I suspect it's neither attention, impulsivity or language but an autistic inability to subconsciously recognise by failure to correctly appreciate the social reciprocity that my conversational partner thinks independently and functions differently. That's tough to notice most of the time. I'm aware that it's possible to interpret something a certain way but I judge the possibility unlikely (and can't be bothered to further consider such nonsense) until it's obvious that yes, people do think that way.
Anything like that or totally alien?
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ME:"You should thank your lucky stars for not being twice exceptional."
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionalliy' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
And, yeah. See, I'm not really sure if that was actually an example of a TOM deficit on my part, as I was thinking they had the capability to look up "twice exceptional" if they were clueless. So, that might be a bad example. Or maybe it's a good example of a ToM issue because I tend to overestimate what other people are willing/going to do?

Do you know it took me 20 minutes to get this^.
I've made leaps as these. I'm thinking they are made subconsciously. I've analyzed these leaps later, and just wonder how it was made.
What made me think or assume this "leap?" It's not a theory of mind problem in the autistic sense, it arises from ToM in the traditional sense.
I'm going to stab at it with: introversion. Simple, but deep introversion-- that's the problem. If one talks to themselves, 'thinks too much,' lives in one's head, you become too familiar with your thoughts. There is little input that has the opportunity, as from others' thoughts, to shape the 'private world.' If you overthink things, which I believe you do

Once someone shows you are wrong about something, ("your feel about it,"), and it exposes this as "dead wrong," it's a wake call to reality. The "built up private world" is deconstructed. It moves you out of this unrealistic zone, that you imperceptibly fell into.
Simply it is a lack of perspective from under exposure.
ME:"You should thank your lucky stars for not being twice exceptional."
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionality' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
And, yeah. See, I'm not really sure if that was actually an example of a TOM deficit on my part, as I was thinking they had the capability to look up "twice exceptional" if they were clueless. So, that might be a bad example. Or maybe it's a good example of a ToM issue because I tend to overestimate what other people are willing/going to do?

Some possibilities I am considering:
1)He is not familiar with the term but also did not feel like googling it and wanted you to explain it.
2)He is familiar with the term (as am I) but not why it would pertain to you.
3)He is familiar with the term, familiar with why it would pertain to you, but does not see why he should be so grateful it does not apply to him.
You responded to him "Ha Ha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an exceptionality I'm unaware of (or I might be aware of)." That makes me think it is option 2; that he knows what "twice exceptional" means either because he knew it anyway or because he googled but not why it would pertain to you. Your answer response implies that he didn't already know, that it isn't something you've talked about.
I enjoy this sort of parsing challenge but it's a bit hard to get it all sorted without more info, such as what he knows about your diagnoses, if anything.
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ME:"You should thank your lucky stars for not being twice exceptional."
THEM:"I'm afraid I don't understand."
*At this point, I'm thinking .... "It can't be the twice exceptional part because surely they would've looked it up if they were unfamiliar with it? But what is it if it can't be that?"
ME: Haha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an 'exceptionality' I'm unaware of (Or I might be aware of.).
So, sorry about that but what about my tag is confusing? Is it the seemingly irrelevant "also", the "twice exceptional" part or is it the "Where did that come from?" factor or is it something else? I believe I have TOM difficulties that makes it difficult for me to understand your viewpoint, and to infer something specific from something that seems so ambiguous to me.
THEM: The 'twice exceptional' part.
And, yeah. See, I'm not really sure if that was actually an example of a TOM deficit on my part, as I was thinking they had the capability to look up "twice exceptional" if they were clueless. So, that might be a bad example. Or maybe it's a good example of a ToM issue because I tend to overestimate what other people are willing/going to do?

Some possibilities I am considering:
1)He is not familiar with the term but also did not feel like googling it and wanted you to explain it.
2)He is familiar with the term (as am I) but not why it would pertain to you.
3)He is familiar with the term, familiar with why it would pertain to you, but does not see why he should be so grateful it does not apply to him.
You responded to him "Ha Ha, your response seems to directly suggest I have an exceptionality I'm unaware of (or I might be aware of)." That makes me think it is option 2; that he knows what "twice exceptional" means either because he knew it anyway or because he googled but not why it would pertain to you. Your answer response implies that he didn't already know, that it isn't something you've talked about.
I enjoy this sort of parsing challenge but it's a bit hard to get it all sorted without more info, such as what he knows about your diagnoses, if anything.
Yeah, there's a bit of a backstory. This particular person is exceptionally gifted and has no "real social troubles" (Other than being intellectually isolated and the depression that goes with that) and when I asked them "What's your major malfunction?", she answered "I have a lot of weaknesses." (Haha, no, I didn't specifically ask her [that'd be rude, I know], it was a question I posed to the community and she answered it.).
And, then I responded "You should thank your lucky stars you're not twice exceptional." and then the rest happened.
See, when you're not abnormal... things are a lot easier. It doesn't feel like a constant fight when people are obviously excluding you because of your "strangeness", and people cooperate with you and don't try to covertly frame you and backstab you. Most people just don't realize how lucky they have it.
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I can't help but loosely associate sora with traits that appear in helpful people.
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Onto a more serious note.
At other times, it's the receptive-expressive language disorder (as part of autism? who knows). I'll often notice the problem if I bother to pause and realise I didn't understand or aren't sure I got it right. I grew up making a point not to bother to pause though which makes this a bit complicated...
And sometimes I suspect it's neither attention, impulsivity or language but an autistic inability to subconsciously recognise by failure to correctly appreciate the social reciprocity that my conversational partner thinks independently and functions differently. That's tough to notice most of the time. I'm aware that it's possible to interpret something a certain way but I judge the possibility unlikely (and can't be bothered to further consider such nonsense) until it's obvious that yes, people do think that way.
Anything like that or totally alien?
Jesus, the whole memory thing sounds pretty spot on. Comparing myself to my peers, I always noticed how I had always "completely understood" a subject but when I try to explain my understanding, there's always some bottleneck where I can only recall one or two details. The rest of the details come in time, but sometimes it takes upto an hour and most people aren't that patient! Especially not the teacher proctoring a timed test, and especially not when it has essay-esque questions.
Also, the names of titles and relatively arbitrary verbal information sometimes takes me *forever* to remember it, but it's definitely in my memory. I speculated that I just had "weak semantic memory access speeds" so I'm guessing it's probably just a verbal memory weakness, but I s'pose it might be related to "attentiveness" or some such.
I also seem to be a fair bit slower at parsing what other people say than some people, especially if it's not a one liner and especially if it's "more complex" (Like in an academic setting). Though, that might be fairly normal.
I do tend to acknowledge that people have different thoughts, though that doesn't tend to stop my tendency towards querying people's knowledge and providing monologues where I detect possible gaps in their knowledge.

I have to say that I went through reading with my head spinning all the way to the end because I didn't figure out that "twice exceptional" was a special term that I should google. You did say that he/she could have "looked it up", but for me, "looking it up" means "in a book", and you don't usually find two-word combinations in indexes. I hadn't ever happened to hear it before, but google did let me know that it is a special phrase with a specific meaning. It wouldn't have helped in an aural conversation with your friend (who was sitting in front of a computer with access to google at the time?), but it would have put me in contact with meaning a little more quickly if you'd capitalized both words (Twice Exceptional) or put the two in quotation marks -- that might have given me the clue that it was a specific meaning phrase, and not just a slightly unusual use of language.
Just not knowing that that phrase was something that I _should_ put into google in quotes was enough to make everything that followed meaningless.
Just wanted to elaborate about the whole ADHD thing, at least from my perspective. I can do math just fine, but I'm bad with holding numbers in my head. When it gets more abstract, such as algebra, I start to shine. If you ask me how much money to pay for a tip at a restaurant, I'll stumble and often come up with the wrong answer. If I don't have my trusty calculator with me, I'll overpay just to be safe. If I have a pencil, though, the problem is solved. In addition, I can do math like calculus and enjoy it. It's a strange combination. It has to do with working memory problems.
My actual memory is fine, but I have trouble keeping facts and details in my head. Unlike a lot of autistic people who don't filter anything, I seem to have an overactive filter. Not a whole lot gets in except what I'm interested in or paying attention to. That's great when I'm tuned into the right thing. When I'm paying attention to the wrong details, however, I can run into trouble and not know why. Also, I'd not rule out ADHD simply because you can concentrate during a test setting. Often times the adrenaline of being in an exam setting can mask concentration difficulties. Where you'll notice a problem will be in a quiet setting at home when you have 1000 pages of dry reading material. That's the kind of setting that will put me to sleep. If I'm not asleep, my mind might be elsewhere. Or I'll "wake up" and find myself magically surfing the internet or doing chores. Read: Anything but what I'm supposed to be reading.
A similar issue can be seen with my language skills. My actual language processing is fine, but I have trouble putting it all together in a conversation. I frequently say the wrong words, I have a stutter, and other times my language gets garbled (so nothing but gibberish comes out or words get smashed together in unique ways). It's mostly because my "inner speech" is faster than my mouth's ability to produce sounds. I talk too fast. If I slow down and really enunciate, I do okay. Part of the problem is that I am a bit impatient, but it's also another side effect of working memory problems. Because I know I'll get sidetracked and forget what I say, it's also sometimes necessary for me to blurt stuff out as fast as I think of it. If I don't, I run the risk of not remembering what I was going to say. It causes me to interrupt people and be rude at times, so I try not to. But I now understand better why I do that.
From what I was reading of your conversation, it sounds like you are over-analyzing a bit based on incorrect assumptions. It sounds like a theory of mind problem. Not a lack of theory of mind, per say, but as someone else suggested, perhaps an overabundance of it. You're thinking too much. How to fix it, I'm not sure. Just keep track of when you do it and perhaps even make a list of assumptions that aren't "safe" to make. For example, "Not everyone will look up words or phrases that they don't know." Doing so might help you not fall into the same traps.
Lastly, I'd say that, as an ADHD'er, I am socially nearsighted-- not really socially blind. I understand most of what goes on and can read social cues pretty well. However, I miss stuff because I'm paying attention to the wrong things. That and I have trouble with the overall "execution" of a conversation or social interaction. I make a lot of mistakes. I often realize what I'm doing wrong, but it's usually after the fact. I think that's one distinction between ADHD and AS from what I've observed. If you find yourself frequently going wrong and at the same time aware of that fact, then it's probably ADHD and not AS.
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Just not knowing that that phrase was something that I _should_ put into google in quotes was enough to make everything that followed meaningless.
Oh, you make a really good point. I didn't realize that "twice exceptional" might have been taken as something other than a distinct phrase since I didn't quote it, and the user's history with me might've had suggested to her that it may have been another neologism of mine. I s'pose ToM difficulties may be at play here.
(For one of my "neologisms", I said "I heard AQ is associated with immaturity, so does my high AQ doom me to effectively be a social child?" when I really meant "I heard AQ is associated with immaturity, so does my high AQ doom me to effectively have the social maturity of a child?"; essentially, I mistakened "social child" with "the social maturity of a child", and "social child" was used quite literally - One is, socially, a child. Whether this literal language usage is more schizo or autistic is unknown to me.)
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My actual memory is fine, but I have trouble keeping facts and details in my head. Unlike a lot of autistic people who don't filter anything, I seem to have an overactive filter. Not a whole lot gets in except what I'm interested in or paying attention to. That's great when I'm tuned into the right thing. When I'm paying attention to the wrong details, however, I can run into trouble and not know why. Also, I'd not rule out ADHD simply because you can concentrate during a test setting. Often times the adrenaline of being in an exam setting can mask concentration difficulties. Where you'll notice a problem will be in a quiet setting at home when you have 1000 pages of dry reading material. That's the kind of setting that will put me to sleep. If I'm not asleep, my mind might be elsewhere. Or I'll "wake up" and find myself magically surfing the internet or doing chores. Read: Anything but what I'm supposed to be reading.
A similar issue can be seen with my language skills. My actual language processing is fine, but I have trouble putting it all together in a conversation. I frequently say the wrong words, I have a stutter, and other times my language gets garbled (so nothing but gibberish comes out or words get smashed together in unique ways). It's mostly because my "inner speech" is faster than my mouth's ability to produce sounds. I talk too fast. If I slow down and really enunciate, I do okay. Part of the problem is that I am a bit impatient, but it's also another side effect of working memory problems. Because I know I'll get sidetracked and forget what I say, it's also sometimes necessary for me to blurt stuff out as fast as I think of it. If I don't, I run the risk of not remembering what I was going to say. It causes me to interrupt people and be rude at times, so I try not to. But I now understand better why I do that.
From what I was reading of your conversation, it sounds like you are over-analyzing a bit based on incorrect assumptions. It sounds like a theory of mind problem. Not a lack of theory of mind, per say, but as someone else suggested, perhaps an overabundance of it. You're thinking too much. How to fix it, I'm not sure. Just keep track of when you do it and perhaps even make a list of assumptions that aren't "safe" to make. For example, "Not everyone will look up words or phrases that they don't know." Doing so might help you not fall into the same traps.
Lastly, I'd say that, as an ADHD'er, I am socially nearsighted-- not really socially blind. I understand most of what goes on and can read social cues pretty well. However, I miss stuff because I'm paying attention to the wrong things. That and I have trouble with the overall "execution" of a conversation or social interaction. I make a lot of mistakes. I often realize what I'm doing wrong, but it's usually after the fact. I think that's one distinction between ADHD and AS from what I've observed. If you find yourself frequently going wrong and at the same time aware of that fact, then it's probably ADHD and not AS.
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Thanks! I "repelled" down the entire wall, reading every word along the way!

"If you find yourself frequently going wrong and at the same time aware of that fact, then it's probably ADHD and not AS."
What about when listening to other people? Do you tend to take what people say literally and correct your interpretation afterwards? I've had people say "No, that's not what I meant" suggesting I didn't get it and I couldn't remember what they said, so I couldn't figure it out, and some people just seem to start walking/erring away from me after I respond to what they say (I assume it's because I say something 'weird', but maybe it's because I didn't get it?). Online, people smart enough (Like the exceptionally gifted NT above) have realized that those times I "don't get it" are because I took it literally and they said so.
Other times, when I'm speaking, I'm often aware of my verbal oddities and I realize that it's "oddly phrased" in real time, but it takes me a good while to figure out the "normal way" to say it. So, I guess I'm aware of those 'mistakes'. I make small mistakes here and there (Like recalling a semantically similar word or a literal neologism; i.e., recalling "dog" instead of "cat", or "sweeper" with "broom", and I seem to mix up "I" and "you" and other pronouns pretty frequently), too, and I'm often aware in real time what they are and correct them. Many times, though, it seems to be incompletely thought out sentences with malformed grammar.
My actual memory is fine, but I have trouble keeping facts and details in my head. Unlike a lot of autistic people who don't filter anything, I seem to have an overactive filter. Not a whole lot gets in except what I'm interested in or paying attention to. That's great when I'm tuned into the right thing. When I'm paying attention to the wrong details, however, I can run into trouble and not know why. Also, I'd not rule out ADHD simply because you can concentrate during a test setting. Often times the adrenaline of being in an exam setting can mask concentration difficulties. Where you'll notice a problem will be in a quiet setting at home when you have 1000 pages of dry reading material. That's the kind of setting that will put me to sleep. If I'm not asleep, my mind might be elsewhere. Or I'll "wake up" and find myself magically surfing the internet or doing chores. Read: Anything but what I'm supposed to be reading.
A similar issue can be seen with my language skills. My actual language processing is fine, but I have trouble putting it all together in a conversation. I frequently say the wrong words, I have a stutter, and other times my language gets garbled (so nothing but gibberish comes out or words get smashed together in unique ways). It's mostly because my "inner speech" is faster than my mouth's ability to produce sounds. I talk too fast. If I slow down and really enunciate, I do okay. Part of the problem is that I am a bit impatient, but it's also another side effect of working memory problems. Because I know I'll get sidetracked and forget what I say, it's also sometimes necessary for me to blurt stuff out as fast as I think of it. If I don't, I run the risk of not remembering what I was going to say. It causes me to interrupt people and be rude at times, so I try not to. But I now understand better why I do that.
From what I was reading of your conversation, it sounds like you are over-analyzing a bit based on incorrect assumptions. It sounds like a theory of mind problem. Not a lack of theory of mind, per say, but as someone else suggested, perhaps an overabundance of it. You're thinking too much. How to fix it, I'm not sure. Just keep track of when you do it and perhaps even make a list of assumptions that aren't "safe" to make. For example, "Not everyone will look up words or phrases that they don't know." Doing so might help you not fall into the same traps.
Lastly, I'd say that, as an ADHD'er, I am socially nearsighted-- not really socially blind. I understand most of what goes on and can read social cues pretty well. However, I miss stuff because I'm paying attention to the wrong things. That and I have trouble with the overall "execution" of a conversation or social interaction. I make a lot of mistakes. I often realize what I'm doing wrong, but it's usually after the fact. I think that's one distinction between ADHD and AS from what I've observed. If you find yourself frequently going wrong and at the same time aware of that fact, then it's probably ADHD and not AS.
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Thanks! I "repelled" down the entire wall, reading every word along the way!

"If you find yourself frequently going wrong and at the same time aware of that fact, then it's probably ADHD and not AS."
What about when listening to other people? Do you tend to take what people say literally and correct your interpretation afterwards? I've had people say "No, that's not what I meant" suggesting I didn't get it and I couldn't remember what they said, so I couldn't figure it out, and some people just seem to start walking/erring away from me after I respond to what they say (I assume it's because I say something 'weird', but maybe it's because I didn't get it?). Online, people smart enough (Like the exceptionally gifted NT above) have realized that those times I "don't get it" are because I took it literally and they said so.
Other times, when I'm speaking, I'm often aware of my verbal oddities and I realize that it's "oddly phrased" in real time, but it takes me a good while to figure out the "normal way" to say it. So, I guess I'm aware of those 'mistakes'. I make small mistakes here and there (Like recalling a semantically similar word or a literal neologism; i.e., recalling "dog" instead of "cat", or "sweeper" with "broom", and I seem to mix up "I" and "you" and other pronouns pretty frequently), too, and I'm often aware in real time what they are and correct them. Many times, though, it seems to be incompletely thought out sentences with malformed grammar.
I take things literally the first time I hear them. For example, the phrase "it's raining cats and dogs". When I first heard that, I imagined cats and dogs falling from the sky. Later, when I found out that it's actually just a phrase, I amended the statement in my head to just mean "it's raining very heavily." Sometimes I will get confused by what people say (not sure where I go wrong exactly). In which case, I do my best to ask rather than assume. It takes more time and effort, but at least I'm more likely to understand.
One trouble that I have sometimes when listening to people is that I hear a few words and immediately try to fill in the blank (often based on incomplete information). I notice that I tend to jump to conclusions rapidly, which is again probably ADHD related. I hear a few unrelated facts and I immediately try making a connection between them. In a conversation, this means that I may rush to finish people's sentences for them, thinking I know what they are going to say. Sometimes I'm correct, but sometimes I'm not. It's led me to "put my foot in my mouth" many times.
As for messing up pronouns, sometimes I'll do that too. I think it's more a problem of going too quickly, though, rather than an actual deficit of knowledge. I should know better, but I will still goof it up in the moment.
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^^^^THIS^^^
You have MAD "abstraction" skillz compared to me Swbluto....
lol, that's doubtful. You score just as high on abstract reasoning tests, no? (i.e., raven's matrices tests / IQ tests.)
Unless you have another meaning for "abstraction" in mind. Maybe... metaphorical? *shrugs*
Assuming you mean metaphorical, I want to play a metaphor/analogy creation game now, because I have my doubts you're any less capable than I am. The rules of this game are:
Create a metaphor or analogy for anything you want. Something important in your life, like an important theme.
If you want a prompt...
Create a metaphor or analogy involving whale, mouse, life and death. It's okay to be zany or "out there". I'm not going to judge you for being "crazy", I promise. *pinky promise*
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