wanting to create bill making bullying illegal

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22 Sep 2011, 12:34 pm

Good thought, but in many cases the schools etc. make own laws for this. The problem is that it isnt always visible for the people in charge, or the people in charge participate on it. Even with laws that forbid bullying schools etc. have problems with it. As Kail wrote! The problem is caused by something... Its a discussion on how to change the whole world... :?



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22 Sep 2011, 1:56 pm

Actually states here have passed a law about bullying. But it still happens unfortunately.



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22 Sep 2011, 1:58 pm

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This will probably make me pretty unpopular but...

Bullying is wrong. But no one is responsible for the actions of others. When someone kills themself over being bullied, no one is to blame but themself.

And no one ever seems to look at the actions of the one being "bullied." I don't want to speak ill of any specific dead people, but when you look at the actions of some of the bullied, being harassed counts as getting off light.

And I should mention here that I was the recipient of some truly awful treatment as a kid. Up to and including being assaulted. And yes, assault is the right word. It went far far beyond simple schoolyard tussles. But if I had killed myself, the responsibility for that would have been on my shoulders.



I think bullies should be charged with murder when their victims kill themselves. Maybe that will get people to be afraid to bully anyone because what if their victims kill themselves? Then they go to prison.



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22 Sep 2011, 2:43 pm

League_Girl wrote:
I think bullies should be charged with murder when their victims kill themselves.

So that a girl can break up with her boyfriend for no particular reason, write a note that implicates her now-ex-boyfriend as the cause of her suicide, and then off herself just so that he will end up doing time for a murder that he didn't commit?

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How about just leaving the laws as they are, instead of giving another way for those who commit suicide to have their "revenge" on some poor, innocent victim?

:roll: :roll:



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22 Sep 2011, 4:24 pm

League_Girl wrote:
mds_02 wrote:
This will probably make me pretty unpopular but...

Bullying is wrong. But no one is responsible for the actions of others. When someone kills themself over being bullied, no one is to blame but themself.

And no one ever seems to look at the actions of the one being "bullied." I don't want to speak ill of any specific dead people, but when you look at the actions of some of the bullied, being harassed counts as getting off light.

And I should mention here that I was the recipient of some truly awful treatment as a kid. Up to and including being assaulted. And yes, assault is the right word. It went far far beyond simple schoolyard tussles. But if I had killed myself, the responsibility for that would have been on my shoulders.



I think bullies should be charged with murder when their victims kill themselves. Maybe that will get people to be afraid to bully anyone because what if their victims kill themselves? Then they go to prison.

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I think that might be a little extreme......a lot of times bullies themselves have problems, I mean as much as I was damaged by that sort of thing as a child...it really did not help with my depression, anxiety or self confidence......but a lot of those people have problems themselves and may not be directly trying to you know make someone kill themself. They should be penalized to some extent if it can be proven they were harrasing someone and intentionlly causing that kind of harm. But yeah murder is the act of actually killing someone.



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22 Sep 2011, 4:27 pm

Fnord wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I think bullies should be charged with murder when their victims kill themselves.

So that a girl can break up with her boyfriend for no particular reason, write a note that implicates her now-ex-boyfriend as the cause of her suicide, and then off herself just so that he will end up doing time for a murder that he didn't commit?

:roll:

How about just leaving the laws as they are, instead of giving another way for those who commit suicide to have their "revenge" on some poor, innocent victim?

:roll: :roll:


Well I did agree up until the last part, I would imagine suicide is usually not meant as revenge....but yeah I do disagree with charging them with murder because of situations like what you described could certainly arise.



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22 Sep 2011, 5:34 pm

Bullys need help and love, like us, not the law
My bullys were terribly insecure and neurotic

We are 2 extremes of a continuum
aspies as passive victims
bullys as active aggressors

BOTH ARE AN UNBALANCED EXAMPLE OF HUMANOID



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22 Sep 2011, 5:53 pm

My impression is that typical bullies are not particularly insecure or neurotic, they simply go with the crowd.



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22 Sep 2011, 6:48 pm

mds_02 wrote:
This will probably make me pretty unpopular but...

Bullying is wrong. But no one is responsible for the actions of others. When someone kills themself over being bullied, no one is to blame but themself.

And no one ever seems to look at the actions of the one being "bullied." I don't want to speak ill of any specific dead people, but when you look at the actions of some of the bullied, being harassed counts as getting off light.

And I should mention here that I was the recipient of some truly awful treatment as a kid. Up to and including being assaulted. And yes, assault is the right word. It went far far beyond simple schoolyard tussles. But if I had killed myself, the responsibility for that would have been on my shoulders.


Well, it certainly is a point that nobody ever brings up with topics like this. Are those being bullied as innocent as everyone says? Keep in mind that nobody really knows what goes on behind the scenes aside from "He bullied me, WAAAH!" Do we think for one second that some of these bullying stories are not fabricated by whiny attention seeking losers who want to get back at someone they are jealous of? Kids have done this even before there was a convenient pop culture vehicle to attach their angst to. And as far as the media attention, does anyone think for one second that some of these kids aren't inspired to commit suicide because a news story will be run about them? If they die, they become immortal, and they finally get the attention they have been so sorely lacking, even if they don't live to see it. This is a society that now glorifies martyrs, and these kids have grown up with it all their lives. You might say we always have, but not to this degree.



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22 Sep 2011, 7:01 pm

Mindslave wrote:
mds_02 wrote:
This will probably make me pretty unpopular but...

Bullying is wrong. But no one is responsible for the actions of others. When someone kills themself over being bullied, no one is to blame but themself.

And no one ever seems to look at the actions of the one being "bullied." I don't want to speak ill of any specific dead people, but when you look at the actions of some of the bullied, being harassed counts as getting off light.

And I should mention here that I was the recipient of some truly awful treatment as a kid. Up to and including being assaulted. And yes, assault is the right word. It went far far beyond simple schoolyard tussles. But if I had killed myself, the responsibility for that would have been on my shoulders.


Well, it certainly is a point that nobody ever brings up with topics like this. Are those being bullied as innocent as everyone says? Keep in mind that nobody really knows what goes on behind the scenes aside from "He bullied me, WAAAH!" Do we think for one second that some of these bullying stories are not fabricated by whiny attention seeking losers who want to get back at someone they are jealous of? Kids have done this even before there was a convenient pop culture vehicle to attach their angst to. And as far as the media attention, does anyone think for one second that some of these kids aren't inspired to commit suicide because a news story will be run about them? If they die, they become immortal, and they finally get the attention they have been so sorely lacking, even if they don't live to see it. This is a society that now glorifies martyrs, and these kids have grown up with it all their lives. You might say we always have, but not to this degree.


Well keep in mind someone being bullied can be accused of such things even if it is not the case, I've had to face accusations like that and its quite painful to know what is being done to you but being afraid to say anything because you know someones just waiting to accuse you of manipulation or being a 'baby' for instance. Also as someone who attempted suicide I was in pain and yes some of the pain was caused by bullying.......it was not some sick way of getting attention i honestly though and sometimes still think everyone would be better off if I were not living....so though there are some attention whores out there who do those kinds of things I advise you to be careful about those kinds of accusations.



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22 Sep 2011, 7:30 pm

I foresee a plethora of false accusations of bullying.

Person A needles person B until person B loses patience and strikes out at person A, who then reports person B for bullying ("See these bruises? WAAAAAH!"). Person B gets arrested, charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced, while Person A revels in his or her ability to game the system and cause injury.

Similar to...

Person A comes on to person B until person B gives in and has sex with person A, who then reports person B for rape ("See these bruises? WAAAAAH!"). Person B gets arrested, charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced, while Person A revels in his or her ability to game the system and cause injury.

Of course, somewhere between the "bullying" (or the "rape") and the trial, Person A's lawyer approaches Person B's lawyer and suggests an out-of-court cash settlement to make the charges "go away"...



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22 Sep 2011, 7:34 pm

Why are some of you so focused on people who exageratte about things to get attention....what about people who have to deal with a lot of pain because people don't know when to freaking leave them alone...that happens to you know.



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22 Sep 2011, 8:37 pm

CAUSE AND EFFECT! :twisted:



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22 Sep 2011, 8:39 pm

More like, put cameras in the hallways, schoolrooms, bathrooms, and play yards.



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22 Sep 2011, 8:55 pm

"Now your homework assignment is to really think about this, to contemplate what it means. Carl Sagan once famously said that "in order to make an apple pie, you must first invent the universe." But he was not right. In Boltzmann's scenario, if you want to make an apple pie, you just wait for the random motion of atoms to make you an apple pie. That will happen much more frequently than the random motions of atoms making you an apple orchard and some sugar and an oven, and then making you an apple pie. So this scenario makes predictions."

Read more: http://www.sweetspeeches.com/s/1890-sea ... z1YjjLlxEL

I feel this relates to bullying.



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22 Sep 2011, 9:39 pm

I have an odd question...

What happens if you, one day, bully the bully worse than the bully bullied you.

are you to feel bad? wrong or misguided?

like the video where these two kids pick on the kid in the bus stop and the kid being bullied is a black belt and he doesn't even get touched, beats up the other two and leaves within seconds.

I know it's self-defence, but how do you defend yourself in those situations to walk away friends....

because the fighting and battles have to stop eventually, don't they? :s :(