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27 Sep 2011, 1:03 am

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Okay, this is what confuses me:

I can't filter a lot of stimuli and I am usually experiencing some degree of sensory overload. This sounds like low latent inhibition.


How does sensory overload involve "associative learning"? It doesn't seem to. One operates at the "sensory processing" level while the other operates at the "associative/conceptual" level.

Also, I think the "filter out" idea as involved with sensory overload doesn't apply to associate learning because associative learning is about generating conceptual connections, which really isn't a matter of "filtering", per se, it's more like a process of branching.


I'm sorry but...
WHAT?


Sensory overloading works at the "sensory processing" level.
Latent inhibition works at the "conceptual" level.

See the difference? One involves ideas and the other involves the senses.

It's not always that separate though. My conceptual thinking is influenced by sensory processing.


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27 Sep 2011, 1:07 am

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i know someone who has had asperger's since they were born. the asperger's didn't suddenly transform into something else when they developed schizophrenia at age 30.


Yeah, I also believe the difference between certain subtypes of aspergers and certain subtypes of schizophrenia is negligibly small because hippocampal deformities are implicated in both disorders and their symptoms are highly similar between certain subtypes. That's why I personally think of it as a "Schizo-Autistic Spectrum".



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27 Sep 2011, 1:08 am

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webMD's description of asperger's says that children with asperger's are more likely to develop disorders such as depression, ADHD, and schizophrenia.

You cannot develop ADHD, unless you are in a car accident. The only way you can develop ADHD is from severe brain trauma, otherwise like autism you're born with it or the genes get turned on when you're an infant.

Schizophrenia can be developed in the early adult years.


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27 Sep 2011, 1:15 am

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How does sensory overload involve "associative learning"? It doesn't seem to. One operates at the "sensory processing" level while the other operates at the "associative/conceptual" level.

Also, I think the "filter out" idea as involved with sensory overload doesn't apply to associate learning because associative learning is about generating conceptual connections, which really isn't a matter of "filtering", per se, it's more like a process of branching.


The wiki page mentions sensory overload as being a consequence of a low latent inhibition. It also says that for more intelligent people, it manifests as creativity, and fairly creative.

I can't make enough sense of this theory to suggest anything about how it might apply to autism.

Look at it this way, each human brain is incredibly diverse and is continually being shaped by our experiences. It's foolish to try and peg one reason for a disorder that is made up of a cocktail of symptoms.
I mean I can process things slowly one day and speedily the next. And this is without my medication. My medication has shown me just how each symptom can be the polar opposite of another one, so this LI thing doesn't apply to me.


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27 Sep 2011, 1:15 am

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i know someone who has had asperger's since they were born. the asperger's didn't suddenly transform into something else when they developed schizophrenia at age 30.


Yeah, I also believe the difference between certain subtypes of aspergers and certain subtypes of schizophrenia is negligibly small because hippocampal deformities are implicated in both disorders and their symptoms are highly similar between certain subtypes. That's why I personally think of it as a "Schizo-Autistic Spectrum".



sarcastic much?



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27 Sep 2011, 1:34 am

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Look at it this way, each human brain is incredibly diverse and is continually being shaped by our experiences. It's foolish to try and peg one reason for a disorder that is made up of a cocktail of symptoms.
I mean I can process things slowly one day and speedily the next. And this is without my medication. My medication has shown me just how each symptom can be the polar opposite of another one, so this LI thing doesn't apply to me.


Yeah, this all makes sense. I can't just ignore everything but the one part that fits into someone's theory and then say "oh, that makes sense" because the rest of it is still there and I don't want to discuss something that is inaccurate or untrue.

I was reading the other thread but got distracted by taking a bath. I am pretty sure this thread's question is not really relevant to autism, though.



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27 Sep 2011, 2:04 am

swbluto -

are you trying to figure out if you have asperger's or are you just enjoying flexing your mental muscles?

apparently there are tests for latent inhibition, but i couldn't find any free ones on the web.

i really don't think latent inhibition is related to asperger's, except maybe that my low latent inhibition tends to moderate my asperger's symptoms.

i write stories and songs. i am always relating things to each other.

this creativity allows me to imagine how another person might feel if someone makes fun of them, for example. things that don't come naturally, like small talk, can be figured out tangentially. no one had to tell me not to stare. i was staring at someone who glared back at me and i got the message.



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27 Sep 2011, 2:49 am

swbluto has left the building.



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27 Sep 2011, 4:22 am

He's probably gone to bed or something. Sometimes he comes back to his threads like this, sometimes I think he loses interest.



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27 Sep 2011, 8:13 am

All in all, my ToM is telling me that sw is on his hunt of gathering statistical information on everything-- from the "schizo" posts to autism. He hasn't found that sweet spot of focus yet. The epiphany is still outstanding.

One thing that strikes me as odd, (as ruling out ADD exclusively) is the fantasy type schizotypal slip that he's experienced. It has an onset. It has a start or beginning to it. It has developed over time. This is what triggers the 'deep concern', I believe. This development it would seem, exclude autism, though: it could be a developing co-morbid. It seems he has good social reciprocity in real life, and intuits body language well enough, eye contact is normal or not forced. -- I just don't get the autism vibe, here.

He's on to something, because by default, ADHD just doesn't do 'it.' When I found Inattentive ADD--Boom! I was right.

I'd take a good psychologist to delineate all this.

I got a hunch that between work, this has occupied a significant amount of his time.



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27 Sep 2011, 1:05 pm

What is associative learning? Is it when you randomly hear/see something and you link it to some other random facts in your head?



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27 Sep 2011, 3:33 pm

i guess i'm dense. i can usually figure out acronyms, but what is ToM?



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27 Sep 2011, 3:43 pm

None of my latents are inhibited.

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27 Sep 2011, 3:44 pm

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i guess i'm dense. i can usually figure out acronyms, but what is ToM?


Theory of Mind



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27 Sep 2011, 3:50 pm

thanks, tuttle. i was thinking turn of mind, thoughts on the matter, but they didn't fit perfectly. wow, Theory of Mind, how weighty!



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29 Sep 2011, 10:17 pm

*re-enters building*

cathylynn wrote:
swbluto wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
i know someone who has had asperger's since they were born. the asperger's didn't suddenly transform into something else when they developed schizophrenia at age 30.


Yeah, I also believe the difference between certain subtypes of aspergers and certain subtypes of schizophrenia is negligibly small because hippocampal deformities are implicated in both disorders and their symptoms are highly similar between certain subtypes. That's why I personally think of it as a "Schizo-Autistic Spectrum".



sarcastic much?


I am, but not this time. :P

Here's information on common underlying genes present in both schizohpenia and autism:
http://www.disabled-world.com/health/ne ... a-link.php

Here's a blog post on the neurological similarities:

http://brainposts.blogspot.com/2010/09/ ... utism.html

From the post is this very clarifying image:

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Also, I have a combination of work, school and sleep interfering with my forum posting free-time. I'm only replying now because I'm waiting for Ubuntu to install so I can complete my CS assignment.