Page 2 of 5 [ 76 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

swbluto
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,899
Location: In the Andes, counting the stars and wondering if one of them is home to another civilization

15 Oct 2011, 6:02 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
swbluto wrote:
A person answered a question on yahoo that asked "Do crazy people know they're crazy?" with the answer:

"I think it's perfectly normal, and confirmation of our sanity when we question ourselves every now and again. Truly crazy people think they are the only true sane people on the planet, and everyone else is crazy!"

What if they really are the only sane ones on the planet?


But they aren't. You're insane if you actually believe that.



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

15 Oct 2011, 6:33 pm

Fnord wrote:
^ No, the triple "! !!" is there for emphasis.

AS is not insanity or "craziness". I have AS and I am mentally competent, as evinced by my ability to earn a university degree, form and maintain an ongoing relationship (my marriage), raise a family, hold down a long-term job, transact business, enter into legal contracts, make investments, and plan for the future. This is all a struggle for me, due to my crudely-developed diplomacy skills and general inability to pick up on subliminal communications, but it has been worth the effort.


Er, being crazy or insane doesn't mean one is incapable of any or all of those things. John Forbes Nash, Jr. for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.

Being autistic also doesn't mean that one is capable of any of those things.



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

15 Oct 2011, 6:35 pm

swbluto wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
swbluto wrote:
A person answered a question on yahoo that asked "Do crazy people know they're crazy?" with the answer:

"I think it's perfectly normal, and confirmation of our sanity when we question ourselves every now and again. Truly crazy people think they are the only true sane people on the planet, and everyone else is crazy!"

What if they really are the only sane ones on the planet?


But they aren't. You're insane if you actually believe that.


No, just mistaken. Not enough perceptual or cognitive distortion to be truly insane.



swbluto
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,899
Location: In the Andes, counting the stars and wondering if one of them is home to another civilization

15 Oct 2011, 6:44 pm

Verdandi wrote:
swbluto wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
swbluto wrote:
A person answered a question on yahoo that asked "Do crazy people know they're crazy?" with the answer:

"I think it's perfectly normal, and confirmation of our sanity when we question ourselves every now and again. Truly crazy people think they are the only true sane people on the planet, and everyone else is crazy!"

What if they really are the only sane ones on the planet?


But they aren't. You're insane if you actually believe that.


No, just mistaken. Not enough perceptual or cognitive distortion to be truly insane.


lol, verdandi, I was just joking given the topic at hand. ;) Although, I believe many would think there's enough cognitive distortion involved if you actually genuinely believed that.



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

15 Oct 2011, 6:52 pm

swbluto wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
swbluto wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
swbluto wrote:
A person answered a question on yahoo that asked "Do crazy people know they're crazy?" with the answer:

"I think it's perfectly normal, and confirmation of our sanity when we question ourselves every now and again. Truly crazy people think they are the only true sane people on the planet, and everyone else is crazy!"

What if they really are the only sane ones on the planet?


But they aren't. You're insane if you actually believe that.


No, just mistaken. Not enough perceptual or cognitive distortion to be truly insane.


lol, verdandi, I was just joking given the topic at hand. ;) Although, I believe many would think there's enough cognitive distortion involved if you actually genuinely believed that.


True, but I meant more like:

My neighbor had a severe manic episode recently that ended with him being institutionalized. He believed that God had chosen him to replace the angel of death, and he could just smite people to death and banish them to Hell with a wave of his hand. The reason he was institutionalized was that his delusions were also intensely misogynist, and he had beaten a woman brutally enough to break multiple bones. He's more of an exception in that he was violent, as most people who have any kind of psychological or neurological disorder are more likely to be targets of violence than perpetrators.



swbluto
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,899
Location: In the Andes, counting the stars and wondering if one of them is home to another civilization

15 Oct 2011, 7:01 pm

Verdandi wrote:
swbluto wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
swbluto wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
swbluto wrote:
A person answered a question on yahoo that asked "Do crazy people know they're crazy?" with the answer:

"I think it's perfectly normal, and confirmation of our sanity when we question ourselves every now and again. Truly crazy people think they are the only true sane people on the planet, and everyone else is crazy!"

What if they really are the only sane ones on the planet?


But they aren't. You're insane if you actually believe that.


No, just mistaken. Not enough perceptual or cognitive distortion to be truly insane.


lol, verdandi, I was just joking given the topic at hand. ;) Although, I believe many would think there's enough cognitive distortion involved if you actually genuinely believed that.


True, but I meant more like:

My neighbor had a severe manic episode recently that ended with him being institutionalized. He believed that God had chosen him to replace the angel of death, and he could just smite people to death and banish them to Hell with a wave of his hand. The reason he was institutionalized was that his delusions were also intensely misogynist, and he had beaten a woman brutally enough to break multiple bones. He's more of an exception in that he was violent, as most people who have any kind of psychological or neurological disorder are more likely to be targets of violence than perpetrators.


Lol, this is funny. In my previous post, I was unsure if you were directing your sentence at ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo or the crazy people who thought they were the only sane ones alive, but I reasoned that usually one is referring to the last sentence instead of the first one when replying to someone unless it's somehow made obvious that's not the case.

I'm wondering if that ambiguity to me was an "autistic moment" on my part, lol. (i.e., a ToM issue) That would be funny to happen on an autistic forum.



ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,265

15 Oct 2011, 7:08 pm

That's just violent. What about all those Saints who thought they could hear the voice of God? Were they crazy or just being their saintly selves? When Christianity first emerged, it did so in a violent environment. One where gladiators fought to their death in Circuses, criminals were executed in arenas and non citizens were crucified. These early Christians heard voices they thought were God's. They saw visions they thought God made possible. People today would call them crazy but were they any worse than what they were surrounded by?



swbluto
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,899
Location: In the Andes, counting the stars and wondering if one of them is home to another civilization

15 Oct 2011, 7:15 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's just violent. What about all those Saints who thought they could hear the voice of God? Were they crazy or just being their saintly selves? When Christianity first emerged, it did so in a violent environment. One where gladiators fought to their death in Circuses, criminals were executed in arenas and non citizens were crucified. These early Christians heard voices they thought were God's. They saw visions they thought God made possible. People today would call them crazy but were they any worse than what they were surrounded by?


People today get executed in electric chairs and by lethal injection and Sudan refugees get senselessly murdered on a daily basis. Are the schizophrenics who claim to hear the voice of god (And other voices) any worse than what they are surrounded by?



SyphonFilter
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Feb 2011
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 2,161
Location: The intersection of Inkopolis’ Plaza & Square where the Turf Wars lie.

15 Oct 2011, 7:26 pm

People I know call me crazy in a joking tone of voice. But I think that sometimes people label anything that looks weird or abnormal "crazy". I looked in the dictionary under the word autism, and nowhere did it mention crazy. So in a literal sense autistic people aren't crazy, no.



SyphonFilter
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Feb 2011
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 2,161
Location: The intersection of Inkopolis’ Plaza & Square where the Turf Wars lie.

15 Oct 2011, 7:26 pm

People I know call me crazy in a joking tone of voice. But I think that sometimes people label anything that looks weird or abnormal "crazy". I looked in the dictionary under the word autism, and nowhere did it mention crazy. So in a literal sense autistic people aren't crazy, no.



ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,265

15 Oct 2011, 7:28 pm

swbluto wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's just violent. What about all those Saints who thought they could hear the voice of God? Were they crazy or just being their saintly selves? When Christianity first emerged, it did so in a violent environment. One where gladiators fought to their death in Circuses, criminals were executed in arenas and non citizens were crucified. These early Christians heard voices they thought were God's. They saw visions they thought God made possible. People today would call them crazy but were they any worse than what they were surrounded by?


People today get executed in electric chairs and by lethal injection and Sudan refugees get senselessly murdered on a daily basis. Are the schizophrenics who claim to hear the voice of god (And other voices) any worse than what they are surrounded by?

No.



btbnnyr
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 May 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,359
Location: Lost Angleles Carmen Santiago

15 Oct 2011, 7:29 pm

Some of the stuff that comes out of my mouth could be construed as "crazy" if I spoke too much too fast, out of order, and with too many tangents that all connect back to the topic, but only in my own head. If I had 5 hours, I could explain the "crazy" so it all makes sense to others too, but usually, I only have 5 minutes, so what comes out of my mouth makes all nonsense and is "crazy".



RockDrummer616
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Dec 2008
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 910
Location: Steel City (Golden State no more)

15 Oct 2011, 7:37 pm

Autistic people are insane. Insanity is just thinking different than everyone else. I think this calls for a song:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w[/youtube]


_________________
"WE ARE SEX BOB-OMB! ONE TWO THREE FOUR!"


Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

15 Oct 2011, 7:39 pm

swbluto wrote:
Lol, this is funny. In my previous post, I was unsure if you were directing your sentence at ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo or the crazy people who thought they were the only sane ones alive, but I reasoned that usually one is referring to the last sentence instead of the first one when replying to someone unless it's somehow made obvious that's not the case.

I'm wondering if that ambiguity to me was an "autistic moment" on my part, lol. (i.e., a ToM issue) That would be funny to happen on an autistic forum.


I was replying to your comment. You said you were joking and made an additional comment. I replied to the additional comment. Obviously "I'm the only sane one and everyone else is crazy" isn't true, but it's usually pretty benign as delusions go.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's just violent. What about all those Saints who thought they could hear the voice of God? Were they crazy or just being their saintly selves? When Christianity first emerged, it did so in a violent environment. One where gladiators fought to their death in Circuses, criminals were executed in arenas and non citizens were crucified. These early Christians heard voices they thought were God's. They saw visions they thought God made possible. People today would call them crazy but were they any worse than what they were surrounded by?


Psychosis and magical thinking in modern diagnostics specifically excludes culturally normative beliefs. For example, believing that you can converse with god through prayer is not considered psychosis or delusional because it is part of religious teachings.

The guy I referred to wasn't "just violent," and his belief that he was the new angel of death was not at all comparable to typical religious beliefs. They were also impairing in the sense of prompting violent behavior as well as numerous other antisocial behaviors.

I don't have any opinions on the saints, nor was I expressing one. I have no idea how they're supposed to relate to this.



swbluto
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,899
Location: In the Andes, counting the stars and wondering if one of them is home to another civilization

15 Oct 2011, 7:42 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Some of the stuff that comes out of my mouth could be construed as "crazy" if I spoke too much too fast, out of order, and with too many tangents that all connect back to the topic, but only in my own head. If I had 5 hours, I could explain the "crazy" so it all makes sense to others too, but usually, I only have 5 minutes, so what comes out of my mouth makes all nonsense and is "crazy".


I'm pretty sure that's a feature of ToM. It's expected that people know what knowledge another person possesses and know in advance what they'll understand, so if you ignore their background, you'll probably easily get called crazy.

Coincidentally, I thought you were crazy when you referred to Borat's Cousin in your joke but I think I eventually figured out that Borat's Cousin was an (competing?) autism researcher. It seemed kind of weird you assumed that either I knew that or you thought it was common knowledge. But, I understand it's probably your autism at play there, so I'm not holding it against you. I think you're actually pretty cool. :D



swbluto
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,899
Location: In the Andes, counting the stars and wondering if one of them is home to another civilization

15 Oct 2011, 7:45 pm

Verdandi wrote:
swbluto wrote:
Lol, this is funny. In my previous post, I was unsure if you were directing your sentence at ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo or the crazy people who thought they were the only sane ones alive, but I reasoned that usually one is referring to the last sentence instead of the first one when replying to someone unless it's somehow made obvious that's not the case.

I'm wondering if that ambiguity to me was an "autistic moment" on my part, lol. (i.e., a ToM issue) That would be funny to happen on an autistic forum.


I was replying to your comment. You said you were joking and made an additional comment. I replied to the additional comment.


I know...