Rules and the people around me breaking them.

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21 Oct 2011, 2:54 pm

What's the point in making rules if you don't enforce them? That just tells me it is okay to do it and they aren't meant to be followed. The rules don't really exist unless they are enforced. The rules are just empty rules and mean nothing.

As a kid I had a hard time with rules because kids didn't follow them so I would break them too thinking they were nothing. How could I take rules seriously if they weren't followed? If I don't see kids get punished for breaking them, that would tell me it's okay to do it.

And teachers wondered why I couldn't follow them? It's been written in my report cards that I don't follow them. How could I if they weren't enforced and if kids didn't follow them? I thought I did follow them back then even though I would break them sometimes intentionally because I had a hard time controlling myself.



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21 Oct 2011, 2:58 pm

League_Girl wrote:
What's the point in making rules if you don't enforce them? That just tells me it is okay to do it and they aren't meant to be followed. The rules don't really exist unless they are enforced. The rules are just empty rules and mean nothing.

As a kid I had a hard time with rules because kids didn't follow them so I would break them too thinking they were nothing. How could I take rules seriously if they weren't followed? If I don't see kids get punished for breaking them, that would tell me it's okay to do it.

And teachers wondered why I couldn't follow them? It's been written in my report cards that I don't follow them. How could I if they weren't enforced and if kids didn't follow them? I thought I did follow them back then even though I would break them sometimes intentionally because I had a hard time controlling myself.
That was enlightning :-) thanks for your response


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21 Oct 2011, 3:07 pm

Janissy wrote:
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[The problem is that my parents NEVER enforce the rules, they just don't like doing it and don't dare to.. that's not correct either right? it's just that that makes me mad.


That means that those aren't actually the house rules. You just wish they were. And when you have your own home, they can be. But until then, the rules your parents require people to adhere to are the actual house rules.


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22 Oct 2011, 1:23 am

Christopherwillson wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
What's the point in making rules if you don't enforce them? That just tells me it is okay to do it and they aren't meant to be followed. The rules don't really exist unless they are enforced. The rules are just empty rules and mean nothing.

As a kid I had a hard time with rules because kids didn't follow them so I would break them too thinking they were nothing. How could I take rules seriously if they weren't followed? If I don't see kids get punished for breaking them, that would tell me it's okay to do it.

And teachers wondered why I couldn't follow them? It's been written in my report cards that I don't follow them. How could I if they weren't enforced and if kids didn't follow them? I thought I did follow them back then even though I would break them sometimes intentionally because I had a hard time controlling myself.
That was enlightning :-) thanks for your response


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You mentioned something about going to live in a cave, since I can remember I have wanted to live in a monastery as an scribe alone in a scriptorium, I am not actually Christian and as that goes I am a Buddhist but I have always loved the rules and structure in them and two of my hardcore interests have always been filology and calligraphy

BTW even though I need the structure I am actually a nihilist in all of its forms



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22 Oct 2011, 5:52 am

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Did everyone who "should" be subject to your set of rules agree to them, one by one? Do you personally own the house?

they don't have to agree with them since my mom was the one who it went through right? and my mom owns the house.


I think that this might be a key point. They didn't feel involved in deciding the rules and your rules have been dumped onto them and they probably resent that.

A better idea might be to sit down as a whole family and draw up some guidelines so that everyone's needs are taken into consideration and not just your own. Other people have needs too. But I completely agree with th clean up after pets rule.

This seems to be all about you (to them anyway) and they need to be involved in the process to feel like it matters to them too.



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22 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

HairlessAlbinoCat wrote:
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League_Girl wrote:
What's the point in making rules if you don't enforce them? That just tells me it is okay to do it and they aren't meant to be followed. The rules don't really exist unless they are enforced. The rules are just empty rules and mean nothing.

As a kid I had a hard time with rules because kids didn't follow them so I would break them too thinking they were nothing. How could I take rules seriously if they weren't followed? If I don't see kids get punished for breaking them, that would tell me it's okay to do it.

And teachers wondered why I couldn't follow them? It's been written in my report cards that I don't follow them. How could I if they weren't enforced and if kids didn't follow them? I thought I did follow them back then even though I would break them sometimes intentionally because I had a hard time controlling myself.
That was enlightning :-) thanks for your response
i dont like rules myself either, it's just that these things seem so normal and expectable and they don't see that. I dont like rules either but they just dont see that its a normal natural way to live with people in a house.

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You mentioned something about going to live in a cave, since I can remember I have wanted to live in a monastery as an scribe alone in a scriptorium, I am not actually Christian and as that goes I am a Buddhist but I have always loved the rules and structure in them and two of my hardcore interests have always been filology and calligraphy

BTW even though I need the structure I am actually a nihilist in all of its forms


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22 Oct 2011, 11:21 pm

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Yea you might be right, it's just a way of preventing me to go live in a cave :P There's no way i can explain it to them cause they have to do with effects of my asperger's which they won't understand right? I am because of as sensitive to sound so they can't and won't wanna get it right? Maybe i better go live in a cave LOL


Caves are very dirty. You wouldn't like it. Sometimes they're noisy at night, too, if screech owls and bats live there. Also, all caves belong to somebody. If it's a national park, and public land, the Park Service has the say, and they usually have rules against people setting up housekeeping.

I wasn't kidding about the screech owls and bats. My husband was a fanatic spelunker (amateur cave explorer) and one night we were, with permission, camping in the mouth of an Ozark cave which we were going to explore in the morning, after a good night's sleep. All night long, I had nightmares of vampires (the flitter of little bat wings) and axe murders (what a screech owl sounds like).



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23 Oct 2011, 12:02 pm

Sibyl wrote:
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Yea you might be right, it's just a way of preventing me to go live in a cave :P There's no way i can explain it to them cause they have to do with effects of my asperger's which they won't understand right? I am because of as sensitive to sound so they can't and won't wanna get it right? Maybe i better go live in a cave LOL


Caves are very dirty. You wouldn't like it. Sometimes they're noisy at night, too, if screech owls and bats live there. Also, all caves belong to somebody. If it's a national park, and public land, the Park Service has the say, and they usually have rules against people setting up housekeeping.

I wasn't kidding about the screech owls and bats. My husband was a fanatic spelunker (amateur cave explorer) and one night we were, with permission, camping in the mouth of an Ozark cave which we were going to explore in the morning, after a good night's sleep. All night long, I had nightmares of vampires (the flitter of little bat wings) and axe murders (what a screech owl sounds like).

though i would like to experience it :-) just one night, that's where we used to live firstheand so..


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