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30 Oct 2011, 9:34 pm

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I read somewhere (Attwood's book or one of those kinds of books) that Asperger males were much more likely than Asperger females to marry.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:35 pm

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How is it possible to know the severity of someone's problems over the internet?

Easy. Because they tell you.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:37 pm

Yeah, this discussion is very bias and unsupported. Sone mentioned above that women fair worse when finding someone to marry. I've read that almost all aspie women find a man on the autism spectrum to marry- if they do marry-and aspie men do not discriminate against normalcy when finding a mate. Aspergers in love- Aston

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30 Oct 2011, 9:37 pm

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Also, where's your citation? What research says that women diagnosed with AS are on average "socially normal?"

Well, it was research done into emotional recognition and facial recognition along with verbal fluency and memory, which is pretty much THE underlying constructs for socialization. I would find the research articles for you, but they're so inconvenient to find so it's right until proven to be false by whatever hard evidence you or anyone else brings up.

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

More realistically - I can't take this seriously at all. Is this thread a joke and nothing more?

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30 Oct 2011, 9:37 pm

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Also, where's your citation? What research says that women diagnosed with AS are on average "socially normal?"

In other words, you ain't got zilch. Thought so.

And it's not her job to "prove you wrong, "it's YOUR job to prove yourself right. That's Logic 101. I don't have time to do your homework for you, especially if you can't even be bothered to support your own arguments.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:40 pm

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Also, Tuttle's dealing with more difficulties than you seem to be aware of.

There's a difference between reality and exaggerated interpretations of it due to someone's tendency to dramatize. I'm focusing on the reality.

lol i thought you were the schizophrenic?

LOL, that requires 6 straight months of hallucinations to be diagnosed with schizophrenia. I don't have that yet, but I might in the future.

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anyway many clinicians including tony attawood have stated it may be less subtle in females. nevertheless, it doesn't mean that it can be generalisable to each and every female.

More subtle, yep, that's pretty much what that NT female said and it seems like many females on the boards live pretty normal lives, beyond sensory issues. Now, OKAY, I'll give it upto the early 20-somethings who are still navigating the waters of life that they might have problems too BUT those are NORMAL problems. Nearly every young 20-something is trying to find their niche and role in life and it's a transitional time that includes difficulties, so it's definitely not an "Aspie" problem in that case.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:42 pm

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XFilesGeek wrote:

How is it possible to know the severity of someone's problems over the internet?

Easy. Because they tell you.

And you accused her of "exaggerating," which you can't possibly know over the internet.

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My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

Prediction: in a few more posts, when it becomes more obvious he's talking out of his butt, he'll pull the usual, "But I was just JOKING guys!! ! Seesh, can't you guys tell when somebody's JOKING??? Does this post prove I have Asperger's?"

*starting stopwatch*

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30 Oct 2011, 9:44 pm

Verdandi wrote:

swbluto wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Also, where's your citation? What research says that women diagnosed with AS are on average "socially normal?"

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

More realistically - I can't take this seriously at all. Is this thread a joke and nothing more?

The research articles definitely exist, but someone is going to have to find them. I obviously don't remember the URLs for every research article I've read and I'm not going to invest 2 hours to find them just to satisfy some nit-picky person who requires citations when I already know I've seen the information before.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:47 pm

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swbluto wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

How is it possible to know the severity of someone's problems over the internet?

Easy. Because they tell you.

And you accused her of "exaggerating," which you can't possibly know over the internet.

Trust me, you can spot drama queens a mile away and it doesn't take too much thinking to know what the "realistic" version of what someone says is.

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My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

This thread is serious, now go away and come back when you're ready for serious discussion.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:52 pm

Okay, look back this thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf157848-0-15.html

There's a sample of "reading the minds eyes" scores and the average aspie females score at the neurotypical average.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:53 pm

swbluto wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

swbluto wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Also, where's your citation? What research says that women diagnosed with AS are on average "socially normal?"

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

More realistically - I can't take this seriously at all. Is this thread a joke and nothing more?

There's no reason for us to "take your word for it."

Do your own homework and support your own arguments. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air. I certainly don't have two hours to invest to support your, "Men have it harder!! Boo-hoo!" post.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:55 pm

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So because one NT calls one Aspie female normal seeming via one video, now the average aspie female is normal?

This makes no sense at all.

It's not only that, the objective tests show the average aspie female is pretty much normal, socially speaking. Also, you've had pretty normal relationships without any more trouble than typical NT relationships and you're obviously doing fine with whatever you're doing (What, you're considered "cute, small and naive" by the average person? Boohoo.), so you're obviously not suffering like some of us autistic males.

Because being bullied to the point of developing social anxiety is "not suffering"?
Because being taken advantage by a narcissist is "not suffering"?
Because losing much of my social life over one meltdown is "not suffering"?
Because of having near daily meltdowns because of my lack of friendships is "not suffering"?
Because being abused because of my naivety is "not suffering"?

I've had a successful romantic relationship. I don't deny that. However, one relationship, specifically one relationship where I do on a near daily basis face difficulties because of my AS (I can't tell when he's annoyed at me or tired or frustrated at his thesis, these look identical to me. This in its own causes interesting challenges and often leads to me being very upset. There are other challenges there, but that's one example), does not mean that I do not have social difficulties, and does absolutely not mean that I don't suffer socially.

In this area, I try to be more positive and don't deny that I have advantages that others don't in being female. However, that does not mean at all that the challenges and the suffering is not there. It just means that talking about the negative aspects puts me to tears and is something I avoid.

I've said before and I'll say again, the social aspects are the least debilitating to me. That's more of a statement about the severity of the other aspects than about the lack of social issues.

Don't make statements about people who you don't know. Don't tell me I'm not suffering.

I think few people would claim that spending over an hour a day in tears, unable to physically hear some voices without breaking down (who aren't even the person who abused me), and unable to do things that I enjoy, because of having been abused about two and a half years ago specifically because of the fact that I am socially inept is not suffering because of social difficulties.

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30 Oct 2011, 9:58 pm

People think I'm normal until they actually get to know me.

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30 Oct 2011, 10:00 pm

Here's an article that definitely supports my assertion that asperger females are essentially socially normal.

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The symptoms of Aspergers in adult females and girls are usually displayed in a more subtle manner, which results in missed or incorrect professional diagnoses, a lack of access to special education services and provisions in school, and a greater chance of social and emotional problems in adulthood. Several distinct differences exist in regard to the ways that female kids and male kids with Aspergers behave.

Female kids with Aspergers are not often aggressive when they get frustrated; rather, they tend to be withdrawn and can easily "fly under the radar" in classrooms and other social environments. Girls with Aspergers are also able to express their emotions in a calmer way than their male counterparts. Female kids with Aspergers are often protected and nurtured by their “non-Aspergers” friends, who help them cope with difficult social situations. Acceptance from peers can sometimes mask the issues that these kids have so that they are not recognized by educators and moms/dads. As a result, adults are less likely to suggest psychological and social evaluations for young female Aspies.

Look at that, they're accepted by their non-aspergian friends, their friends protect them and they are in significantly less need of psychological and social help. Contrast that to the typical social outcomes of aspergian males who are bullied and taunted COUPLED with the fact that a fairly neurotypical female said the aspergian female host was essentially normal tells me that aspergian females are essentially normal, in terms of their actual disability's impact on their social life and relationships. Sure, you may quibble about seemingly bright lights and missing nuance sometimes, but that's not really what I'd call a disability that's anywhere near as disabling as what the average autistic male suffers.

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30 Oct 2011, 10:00 pm

swbluto wrote:

Yes, but the rest of us have not.

I've read plenty of research on the topic and I've never found any indication that female Aspies are socially normal. What I have found is that many work harder on developing social masks that can hold up longer than many Aspie males can manage, but that's a period of minutes, not simply a lack of social impairments.

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Trust me, you can spot drama queens a mile away and it doesn't take too much thinking to know what the "realistic" version of what someone says is.

I don't think this is the case, but I do often find that people make unfounded assumptions based on reading between the lines for subtext that doesn't exist.

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30 Oct 2011, 10:01 pm

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Okay, look back this thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf157848-0-15.html

There's a sample of "reading the minds eyes" scores and the average aspie females score at the neurotypical average.

Sooo......

Your "scientific evidence" that Aspie females are "socially normal" is a random thread, based on self-reporting, on an internet forum???

Color me unimpressed.

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Trust me, you can spot drama queens a mile away and it doesn't take too much thinking to know what the "realistic" version of what someone says is.

Not really. You do not have any means to determine the severity of someone's problem over the internet.

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This thread is serious, now go away and come back when you're ready for serious discussion.

Unfortunately, for me, "serious discussion" requires "serious effort" from the participants.

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