Social Stories.... Whatz your "gut" say about thi

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03 Nov 2011, 1:37 pm

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Thanks for the feedback. I find them offensively dumbed down. This would have pissed me off as a child to have to endure. I was wondering if that was just me. It appears I am alone in this. I have heard that these do work for parents but had not really heard from an ASD person yet about them...


You are a brilliant adult and presumably were an early and sophisticated reader as a child. Same scenario for some other posters here. For a brilliant early reader who is devouring novels, these would be absurdly and insultingly simplified. But there are many autistic children who can't read at the level you were reading at as a child and need something this simplified. For the record, there are many NT children with the same lower level of reading skills who also need instructions at this level, just not about how to say "hi" to other kids.

My daughter's school uses these. She comes home with them in her backpack about once a week. I don't use them at home. She doesn't truly need them at school either but she uses them as a help to rehearse things that are going to happen. At home she sometimes uses them on her own as rehearsal too. They are appropriate for her and her classmates. They would not be appropriate for you as a child or for many of the early readers here who could pick up social stories from novels which spell out social situations in sophisticated detail. But just because they wouldn't have been appropriate for you doesn't mean they are appropriate for nobody.



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03 Nov 2011, 2:19 pm

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That... was one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.


ok, now I've seen it....can't unsee it can I? I'll keep trying 8O


Yes, that's French child education for you...



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03 Nov 2011, 3:54 pm

Janissy wrote:
kfisherx wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I find them offensively dumbed down. This would have pissed me off as a child to have to endure. I was wondering if that was just me. It appears I am alone in this. I have heard that these do work for parents but had not really heard from an ASD person yet about them...


You are a brilliant adult and presumably were an early and sophisticated reader as a child. Same scenario for some other posters here. For a brilliant early reader who is devouring novels, these would be absurdly and insultingly simplified. But there are many autistic children who can't read at the level you were reading at as a child and need something this simplified. For the record, there are many NT children with the same lower level of reading skills who also need instructions at this level, just not about how to say "hi" to other kids.

My daughter's school uses these. She comes home with them in her backpack about once a week. I don't use them at home. She doesn't truly need them at school either but she uses them as a help to rehearse things that are going to happen. At home she sometimes uses them on her own as rehearsal too. They are appropriate for her and her classmates. They would not be appropriate for you as a child or for many of the early readers here who could pick up social stories from novels which spell out social situations in sophisticated detail. But just because they wouldn't have been appropriate for you doesn't mean they are appropriate for nobody.


Thanks for this perspective. I am working through some stuff and trying to language a wall I keep running into. This helps...



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03 Nov 2011, 6:25 pm

I remember watching a movie at school about a girl who was so lonely she died of a broken heart while getting off the schoolbus. It was during a cooking class in the seventh grade. I thought it was a confusing video and it freaked me out that someone could actually die from lonliness. Didn't change the mentality of the kids in the class though.



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03 Nov 2011, 7:00 pm

Is there something wrong with me or is the one "Riding The Bus To School" completely confusing?


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03 Nov 2011, 8:36 pm

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I just had to look at the one called Poop Story. hehe :) It sounds funny, but it looks like it could actually be useful for a small child for which this was an issue


I would be willing to bet that 80% of people clicked that one first.... :lol:

Jokes aside, I cant opine because it wouldnt open for me, it just said I had to download into a zip file or something....


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03 Nov 2011, 8:40 pm

Ok, just opened the Fire alarm one.

If I had read that as a kid I would have been so irritated by it I would have probably gone and set the fire alarm off at school on purpose, just to defy the story.

Though most fire alarms have glass on them anyway so I dont see the point of that story at all.....


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03 Nov 2011, 10:28 pm

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Definitely geared toward toddlers, IMHO. I haven't read them all, but I would have found the "nice" one too vague. I never got what "being nice" meant as a kid (although I did develop some manners, or at least I often know what I should do - or should have done, ack!). Finally decided "being nice" means "you do what I want", and as an adult, I still think that's about the size of it. :P Now if they'd titled that one something about having manners, then it probably does what it's supposed to. But in terms of defining nice, no.

I doubt the "divorce" one would have done anything for me at age four, either. But maybe the ones on more concrete stuff, like riding the bus, would be helpful.

Toddlers? I'd probably struggle to follow them when I was five. I think the rest of my class would have been given such lessons. Year 1 and 2 may have been too old for it.

I don't think of it as dumbing down. We'd be given that kind of stuff in the early 90's.

The bus one was interesting because an autistic child might be confused when asked to walk all the way to the bus and listen to teachers. I'd probably not be able to do the two together.

edit: that read aloud one gave me flash backs. We were always told not to touch other kids and basically shut the hell up while the story was read.


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04 Nov 2011, 2:46 am

shrox wrote:
ediself wrote:
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That... was one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.


ok, now I've seen it....can't unsee it can I? I'll keep trying 8O


Yes, that's French child education for you...

Dude , I'm French and, no it's not......



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04 Nov 2011, 6:31 pm

I work with preschoolers, and I can think of plenty of kids I know who could definitely benefit from those stories. The vast majority of these children are actually not ASD, though some of them do have the "preschool student with a disability" label. The majority of children in the 3-5 age range respond best to simple repetitive language. Where I work in particular, many of the children have language delays, and/ or limited English proficiency. If you throw too many words their way, you lose them. Kids that age generally don't just tune out in those situations, they act out. The simple language is perfect for that population.
Those stories may seem overly simple, and they aren't appropriate for everyone. However, they are appropriate for many young children, and they serve a useful purpose.


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04 Nov 2011, 6:48 pm

Oh my goodness. I do think that these are degrading. Social stories certainly have a well established place in helping people with autism. But not like this. There are plenty of websites that offer (far less degrading) versions of the same situations.



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04 Nov 2011, 6:49 pm

I couldn't open the ones from the link either -- what program generates a .bm extension?

I wonder exactly what social stories are being used at school for my kindergartener. The resource teacher copied a bunch for me that were just atrocious -- I can't imagine them being read in anything other than a sing-song voice. Maybe they'd be ok if DS were reading them, but his reading skill hasn't reached that level yet. Here's an example (each line is accompanied by 2-3 line drawings):

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Kicking

Somtimes I feel mad and I kick people.
Kicking is not a good choice.
Kicking hurts.
I will try not to hurt people.
I will try to [insert appropriate behavior] when I am angry.
This is a good choice.


Several of the stories are word for word copies, just substituting "biting", "hitting", "pulling hair", etc.

The ones in Gray's New Social Story book are better, but I'm still bothered by how they are written in first person. (I will this and I will try to that.)

Did anyone here have social stories read to them when they were in elementary school? What did you think at the time?



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04 Nov 2011, 6:58 pm

ediself wrote:
shrox wrote:
ediself wrote:
Sparx wrote:
That... was one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.


ok, now I've seen it....can't unsee it can I? I'll keep trying 8O


Yes, that's French child education for you...

Dude , I'm French and, no it's not......


I respectfully retract my statement.



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04 Nov 2011, 8:01 pm

This is the pinnacle of patronization.


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