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28 Sep 2006, 4:05 pm

Yuck to all the above....I think I need to go take a shower now.


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28 Sep 2006, 4:11 pm

If thats true its really sad.. but it does explain a lot.

Ive always wondered why NTs were never happy unless they had something to complain about or an enemy (real or imagined).

And we want to keep these dangerous irrational critters around?


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28 Sep 2006, 4:18 pm

Remember to mirror their body language.

This is a dangerous one! As I understand it, there are degrees of mirroring (and you probably need a degree in it to understand it, lol)
Mirror someone's body language too carefully can look very much like taking the mickey if you're not careful. It would be advisable to wear a crash helmet for the first few attemps for protection against the inevitable smack on the head.

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28 Sep 2006, 5:13 pm

Hmmm, still can't work out whether you're being sarcastic or not Aspie_Chav...

Well, regardless. I'm sure it is possible to develop better social skills, to learn to read body language, and all the other things that NTs seem to do naturally. Just because some things don't come naturally, doesn't mean that they can't be learnt in a more formal way and (with practice) become easier. I'm attempting to do this because I hope that it will help me make friends and generally get on better with people.

It isn't an attempt to become more NT. The way I look at it is that my skills are somewhat lacking in certain areas and I can either accept it (and the consequences) or try to improve.

Also most people, whether NT or Aspie, have things they'd like to change about themselves (and they're not the enemy)



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28 Sep 2006, 5:33 pm

Now, having Aspergers is tough, but I hate NTs with a passion. Would never want to be one. In a perfect world I'd want to not have as much difficulty with some social situations, but realistically I like my brain the way it is.



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28 Sep 2006, 9:14 pm

NT interaction is a weird thing. I didn't realise how many stupid pointless things I did every day until I came here!

Aspie_chav, I think it's a generalisation to say that NT socialising is warfare. Some of it definitely is, but I don't socialise with people to get ahead. I was the kid at school who refused to join in on teasing someone (yes, there are some of us out there!). Also, now that I'm an adult I've found that mentality has changed. I don't have to like or dislike the same people as my friends do. I'm allowed to have my own opinions about other people as are they. And I don't enjoy the battle-like aspects of socialising. One example - I hate the way some of my friends will gossip and insult someone when talking to me, and then when they're actually with that person they act like she's their best friend. It's deceitful and selfish, and they do it because they want to be able to say the nasty stuff without having to deal with a fight. That's not an admirable trait for anyone to have.



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28 Sep 2006, 10:00 pm

I think there is no need whatsoever to become like normal persons.Be like you normally are.But it is important to have the right attitude,which,however has nothing to do with Asperger and being normal.Try to love everyone and forgive them their mistakes.Insist on your own opinion and without hurting unnecessarily anyone.This,I think,is a very good way to deal with this complex.You won't be regarded as normal,but -at least,for me- that's not the aim.



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29 Sep 2006, 1:02 am

saoirse_starr wrote:
Aspie_chav, I think it's a generalisation to say that NT socialising is warfare.


Not generalizing at all. If they are not in warfare they are practicing for it. I don’t expect them to know this consciously; for them it is just relaxing and socializing.



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29 Sep 2006, 1:16 am

Callista wrote:
Aspie_Chav, is your post sarcasm, or is it a true strategy you plan to try? I'm not entirely sure by your post which it is; but I think it might be sarcasm because you mention copying some mostly-negative traits of NTs (refusing to question the Bible, being prejudiced towards friends and against strangers).

Clarify, please?


I really mean it, no jokes man!!. It all depends on what you define as a NT negative trait. At wartime would you consider an AK-74 Assault rifle as a negative trait?



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29 Sep 2006, 2:15 am

No... but I'd consider war itself to be a negative occurance.


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29 Sep 2006, 3:53 am

Aspie_Chav how severe is your as?



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29 Sep 2006, 7:21 am

Callista wrote:
No... but I'd consider war itself to be a negative occurance.


War, conflict , disagreement, confrontation is all what Mother Nature is all about. In the Animal kingdom there is warfare everyday.

· NTs have social wars
· Corporations and business have price wars
· Aspies have scientific disagreements and confrontation. One of thing pleasant about this type of war you cannot use lies, manipulation or murderation . Truth is the weapon that will win this type of war. One the reason why Aspies are very honest.



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29 Sep 2006, 7:32 am

themonkey wrote:
Aspie_Chav how severe is your as?


Many NT would say that I am a mild case. But I know that I am a pure bread Aspie, there is nothing NT about me at all .I have even noticed it even when I came to this forum. I feel like I am the only one who can give scientific explanation for various things, while other aspies often just like to talk about stories of their life, like many NTs like enjoy doing.



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29 Sep 2006, 8:25 am

can someone tell me......what is NT??????????????



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29 Sep 2006, 12:01 pm

NeuroTypical


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29 Sep 2006, 12:13 pm

Aspie_Chav, you might want to check out a book called "A User's Guide to the Brain" by John Ratey. It basically talks about how the brain is elastic and changable, retraining yourself to form new neural pathways, etc. Good luck with what you're trying to do - progress can definitely be made if you work at it enough, just remember that these things can take a really long time. For me, some areas have been easy enough to improve, where others (subconscious, autonomic stuff) seem so hardwired in my brain that I don't know if they'll ever change.