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12 Nov 2011, 5:27 pm

So whats the solution?
Running amok in their lab with a hammer wouldn't achieve much for long. And you really can't stop people finding things out thats preposterous.
And as people are allowed to have abortions for their own reasons, why should they not be allowed to abort autistic fetuses?..or is there somehow a rational to be made for autistic fetuses only?



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12 Nov 2011, 5:31 pm

That's the question is it, how do you make people see how ridiculous it is to abort a pregnancy over autism. The only thing I can think of is to not allow an abortion after such genetic tests.



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12 Nov 2011, 6:08 pm

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That's the question is it, how do you make people see how ridiculous it is to abort a pregnancy over autism. The only thing I can think of is to not allow an abortion after such genetic tests.

Well if you support 'the right to choose', but not for Autistics, then your not really supporting the right to choose are you?



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12 Nov 2011, 6:21 pm

First, I'm against the right to choose to abort a baby based on "defects". "Deformed" babies should only be aborted if the baby CANNOT survive long after birth.

Also, NTs call us insensitive, but do the writers of this article realize that not only are most autistic people smart enough to read the article ( I think, correct me if I'm wrong), but they would also be some of the people most attracted to it? We've got feelings just like everyone else and things like this hurt. "What this means for autistic individuals: We hate you and wish you never existed, go shoot yourself. " Just quoting the subtext.


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14 Nov 2011, 11:49 pm

Hmmm, I was just thinking about something. NTs think it is appropriate to predetermine the color of their child's eyes, or the color of their hair, etc. To us, it seems more important to have a child that is intelligent, whereas they generally (almost always) feel that physical characteristics are more important. I personally can't comprehend it, though I do know why one would want to. This world equips people with better looks to succeed more than people who are simply intelligent; however, people who are both good looking and intelligent are the holy grail.

People assume that the better looking you are, the more socially advanced you will be.

Anyways, getting to the point. We can't take it personally because almost every society values physical attributes over intelligence. One day this might change and autism will not be frowned upon. Until then, we are screwed.

Or, we can hope that someone from another planet will swipe us all up and take us to their planet where looks and personality are irrelevant. Then again, we might be classified as mentally ret*d there because their planet is so advanced, though they might be more understanding of our old planet's ignorance. Once again, we won't really win. I'm banking on my next life.


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14 Nov 2011, 11:59 pm

No one knows how genes will express themselves in the individuals. This is what happens when humans falsely believe they know everything.



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15 Nov 2011, 12:28 am

No. Just no. That is sad. I would not do that ever. If I ever have a child and he/she turns out to be autistic, so what? I'll still love him/her no matter what, and I would be able to understand that child more if he/she were autistic than if he/she were NT. I get along with autistic people in general better than NT's. The people who want to do this should put themselves in the same situation: How would they feel if autistic people decided to use this to abort a baby because it was NT? But no-one does that, they just go right ahead without thinking about how they would feel! :evil:


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15 Nov 2011, 12:41 am

Ria1989 wrote:
Hmmm, I was just thinking about something. NTs think it is appropriate to predetermine the color of their child's eyes, or the color of their hair, etc. To us, it seems more important to have a child that is intelligent, whereas they generally (almost always) feel that physical characteristics are more important. I personally can't comprehend it, though I do know why one would want to. This world equips people with better looks to succeed more than people who are simply intelligent; however, people who are both good looking and intelligent are the holy grail.

People assume that the better looking you are, the more socially advanced you will be.


Well, on that note, I'm pretty sure the genetic characteristics chosen the most by these people won't look a thing like my African-American, kinky-headed, dark skinned features. So there's that.

And on top of not wanting babies that look like me, people are terrified they will be born with brains like mine. How in the world am I supposed to take the fact that I'm basically a walking-talking defect to these folks? :(


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15 Nov 2011, 2:58 am

nostromo wrote:
You can't stop progress.


Oh, but their idea of gene therapy to stop autism before it kicks in is unlikely to work, possibly because autism's already kicked in well before 2-3 years old. I know I showed my first signs of anything during my first year (tactile defensiveness). I know that's anecdotal, but I would be surprised if it were uncommon.



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15 Nov 2011, 3:02 am

As for abortions, there's not much to be done. I certainly have no interest in making abortions off-limits and forcing anyone to carry a child to term if they don't want to.

I think doctors should be honest about what test results mean when testing for things like Down's Syndrome or - maybe, in the future - autism. Which is to say, the popular method of predicting dire consequences for bring a child with Down's Syndrome into the world and suggesting parenting such a child will be like Hell on Earth should probably stop.

But truth? If parents are so devastated at the idea of a potentially autistic child that they'd consider abortion, I am not sure that I'd want to encourage them to have an autistic child. I hear too many horror stories about parents abusing and even killing their disabled children.

That said, I think it is certainly within reason to critique why parents are so willing to abort potentially disabled fetuses.