NTs are more "aspie" when they are drunk

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21 Nov 2011, 1:45 am

No, many people who can't handle their ale (don't look at me!) often just act more yobbish and violent when they're drunk. Not the same thing.



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21 Nov 2011, 4:07 am

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I also hear when people are drunk, they may share something they shouldn't have shared such as they might mention their fetish and talk about it. They may also spill your secret too.


BTW I don't drink because I don't like the taste of alcohol. I like wine coolers though. I wonder if I can get drunk on those?


yes u can get drunk off wine coolers. N the aboriginal population of autralia got cherry coke banned cause they got drunk from it. =.=



Cool, maybe I should buy a pack sometime and get drunk from it. How many bottles will I need to drink to get drunk?



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21 Nov 2011, 11:05 am

I know some people here will disapprove of this, since some believe that NTs are NTs without a single trait of anything. But we will ignore them because I actually think you are right. When my brother used to come home drunk, he used to have massive outbursts (similar to mine, but mine are obviously sobar). He even got took to hospital at about 4:30 in the morning because he had gotten so out of control, and my mum said he was stamping his feet in the hospital whenever anyone touched him, and he couldn't express why he was feeling like this (except that he was drunk, but that was to do with his behaviour. His feelings might have been different).

He's behaved like that a few times when drunk, but otherwise he is just a ''typical'' NT. And don't start hinting to me ridiculous things like ''oh but he might be on the spectrum.....'' because I know my own brother, and I would know if he had ASD traits or not.


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21 Nov 2011, 11:20 am

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I know some people here will disapprove of this, since some believe that NTs are NTs without a single trait of anything. But we will ignore them because I actually think you are right. When my brother used to come home drunk, he used to have massive outbursts (similar to mine, but mine are obviously sobar). He even got took to hospital at about 4:30 in the morning because he had gotten so out of control, and my mum said he was stamping his feet in the hospital whenever anyone touched him, and he couldn't express why he was feeling like this (except that he was drunk, but that was to do with his behaviour. His feelings might have been different).

He's behaved like that a few times when drunk, but otherwise he is just a ''typical'' NT. And don't start hinting to me ridiculous things like ''oh but he might be on the spectrum.....'' because I know my own brother, and I would know if he had ASD traits or not.
A similar thing happened with one of my NT brothers. He shoved anyone away who tried to touch him, he yelled at a couple noises that would only normally make me yell, and when asked how he was feeling, he said, "I don't know how I'm f**king feeling". He didn't need to go to the hospital, though.



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21 Nov 2011, 11:47 am

yeah, ethanol is the great equalizer.


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21 Nov 2011, 12:05 pm

Interesting conversation.

There was a time during my twenties I drank a lot. A LOT! During that time I found my social life much more active than it had ever been, or has been since I quit drinking so much.

I've always attributed the increase in social activity and my own acceptance by others as coming from three things:

1 - My own lowered inhibitions, causing me to act "more NT."
2 - The natural tendency for drunks to accept a lot they wouldn't accept if they were sober
3 - Drunks like being around other drunks. Period.

It never occurred to me that NT's might actually be acting more like us, and THAT might be another reason they got along with me better when drunk.

It's an interesting idea, but I'd have to say I totally disagree. Now that I've had a couple of decades to watch drunks through sober eyes, I don't see it at all. All I see are typical effects of alcohol, no matter who is doing the drinking. It affects everyone differently, but in many amazingly predictable ways. Some become more withdrawn, some more boisterous, some more violent, some funnier (but only if I'm drunk myself), etc. In general, certain personality traits that are already there become more enhanced. The more a person drinks, the more negative (from my own sober point of view) and pronounced certain traits become. If I'm drinking too, the more acceptable these pronounced traits are.

I can't stand being around anyone drinking too much if I'm totally sober or drinking anymore. I don't drink enough anymore for uncontrolled drinking in others to seem acceptable. If drunks are in the group, it makes me want to stop drinking and leave.

But none of that reaction is ever because I think they're acting "too Aspie." It's because they're being obnoxious.

The two, from my perspective (stone cold sober or under the influence of a few drinks), are nowhere near the same thing.

I just don't see it.


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21 Nov 2011, 12:23 pm

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BTW I don't drink because I don't like the taste of alcohol. I like wine coolers though. I wonder if I can get drunk on those?


Have you tried gin & tonic? I don't drink much but I love the taste of G&T.


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21 Nov 2011, 12:31 pm

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Have you tried gin & tonic? I don't drink much but I love the taste of G&T.


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21 Nov 2011, 12:56 pm

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Have you tried gin & tonic? I don't drink much but I love the taste of G&T.


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Heehee, that could be me in 20 years' time!
Hers is with a slice of lemon though. It's much nicer with a wedge of lime.
Whether drinking them makes me more Aspie is not for me to say!


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21 Nov 2011, 1:20 pm

I can have better conversations with Drunk NT's it seems. When I'm drinking with people, I am more socially accepted and I am not an observer, I also seem to get tipsy just by smelling alcohol, is this something to do with AS?



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21 Nov 2011, 2:05 pm

from my random access memory...

I used to drink. A lot. Last binge was 1/5th of whiskey & 6-12 beers, every day for a year. Would black out 3-4 times per week. Had the DTs. Never got hangovers. I was 32 yrs old.

Anyway, people process achohol differently, largely based on genetic adaptation of your ancestry.

For example, my "type" processes alcohol like it's sugar (got this from my dad's side). Energy. Lots of it. Explosive, chaotic energy. My mind falls asleep, my body keeps moving. I speak in tongues, try to wrestle people, etc & have NO memory of it the next day. No hangovers, regardless of quantity or frequency of drinking. (these folks, the "sugar type," begin to develop crippling hangovers in their mid 30s.)

My mom? For her it's a sedative. One drink and she falls asleep, has slight hangover the next morning.

My old roommate? Has a few drinks, vomits, drinks some more. Drinks more, gets sloppy, slurred speech and wobbly coordination. Has a punitive hangover that leaves his head throbbing, body aching and stomach upset the entire next day.

These are all adaptations (or lack thereof) to drinking. So concievably,alcohol could cause some people to display aspie like effects, but this is by no means a universal effect of alcohol.


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21 Nov 2011, 2:56 pm

readingbetweenlines wrote:
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BTW I don't drink because I don't like the taste of alcohol. I like wine coolers though. I wonder if I can get drunk on those?


Have you tried gin & tonic? I don't drink much but I love the taste of G&T.



Nope, never heard of it. Are they alcohol too? I suppose I can find those in the alcohol section?



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21 Nov 2011, 3:21 pm

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BTW I don't drink because I don't like the taste of alcohol. I like wine coolers though. I wonder if I can get drunk on those?


Have you tried gin & tonic? I don't drink much but I love the taste of G&T.



Nope, never heard of it. Are they alcohol too? I suppose I can find those in the alcohol section?

Gin is a clear spirit, 37% proof. You top it up with tonic water like schwe**es which is like a soft drink but pleasantly bitter.

Recipe from Wikipedia:
A gin and tonic is a highball cocktail made with gin and tonic water poured over ice. It is usually garnished with a slice or wedge of lime, or lemon. The amount of gin varies according to taste. Suggested ratios of gin-to-tonic are 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, and 2:3.

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21 Nov 2011, 5:21 pm

readingbetweenlines wrote:
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BTW I don't drink because I don't like the taste of alcohol. I like wine coolers though. I wonder if I can get drunk on those?


Have you tried gin & tonic? I don't drink much but I love the taste of G&T.



Nope, never heard of it. Are they alcohol too? I suppose I can find those in the alcohol section?

Gin is a clear spirit, 37% proof. You top it up with tonic water like schwe**es which is like a soft drink but pleasantly bitter.

Recipe from Wikipedia:
A gin and tonic is a highball cocktail made with gin and tonic water poured over ice. It is usually garnished with a slice or wedge of lime, or lemon. The amount of gin varies according to taste. Suggested ratios of gin-to-tonic are 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, and 2:3.

Enjoy!


37 proof? Good god, you drink some weak gin :P. If the bar has it, I prefer mine with Plymoth Navy Strength (114 proof(57% ABV)), and mixed at a 1:1 ratio, garnished with lime. I couldn't care less about the brand of tonic water.

It's funny. I hate the taste of gin straight, and I'm not too fond of tonic water, but G&Ts are lovely.



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21 Nov 2011, 5:44 pm

Sorry, meant 37.5 ABV - still looks a lot weaker than yours though...
Given the levels of alcohol raxation in the UK it would make gin even more expensive than it already is!


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21 Nov 2011, 5:52 pm

I don't drink very often. When I do drink, I'm a lightweight despite not actually being light weight at all. I tend to talk a lot more but have NO clue what the hell I'm talking about. I have no idea how i appear to others, and I don't find others who are drunk easier to understand, relate to, get along with, etc. What I've noticed is that drunk people are generally obnoxious. When I get drunk, I'll notice things i should be at least partially worried about, but I just say "oh the hell with it" and don't care. I like to drink, it makes me feel good and everything, but at a certain point the lack of feeling and coordination becomes a pain in the ass, and then I get sick. I can get a buzz off of a single mike's hard lemonade or one of those fruity smirnoff girly malt liquor things, but they won't get me drunk. They'll give me a buzz and then they'll give me heartburn.

I don't generally like the taste of alcohol. I don't hate it, and I'm not one of those people who needs to not taste it to enjoy it, but I just generally don't like the way it tastes. I do like beer, but that, like coffee, was an acquired taste. My favorite kind of beer is lager, specifically Yuengling lager, or Yuengling Black & Tan(which is apparently a porter beer, whatever the hell that even means). My favorite liquor is Yukon Jack and Jägermeister. I also like various schnapps and random flavored vodkas and stuff for mixing with certain things, but my drink of choice is Yukon Jack.

I have nothing really against drinking, but I greatly prefer smoking pot for a bunch of different reasons. Pot doesn't damage my body as much as alcohol does. Pot won't give me a hangover or make me sick. Pot doesn't fill up my stomach or make me a sh***y driver. Pot doesn't really impair my ability to do much of anything at all(sometimes if I smoke enough I have difficulty walking sorta similar to what alcohol will do to me, but never nearly as severe). In fact, sometimes pot enhances my ability to do certain things, due to the fact that it makes it easier to focus on one thing and block everything else out, whereas alcohol tends to make it difficult to concentrate on anything.