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21 Nov 2011, 3:14 pm

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So if you have never made meaningless small talk with people it is unlikely they will help you should you find yourself needing help?


That's pretty much it right there.

It's one thing for a nice person to volunteer you help. A great thing! But not to be relied upon.

It's harder to go to someone and ask for their help. Small talk helps you know who to go ask. And helps them to remember that you're also part of their community, who might be able to help them when they need it.


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21 Nov 2011, 3:17 pm

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That's pretty much it right there.

It's one thing for a nice person to volunteer you help. A great thing! But not to be relied upon.

It's harder to go to someone and ask for their help. Small talk helps you know who to go ask. And helps them to remember that you're also part of their community, who might be able to help them when they need it.


double nailed it. it always feels good that you are needed and from the right people too.



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21 Nov 2011, 3:18 pm

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So if you have never made meaningless small talk with people it is unlikely they will help you should you find yourself needing help? That is really rather strange lol. I would stop and help someone in need whether I had made small talk with them or not. The fact that they have never made small talk with me, or I with them, is neither here nor there when another individual is in need of assistance.

People will often refer to me as weird or as a sandwich short of a picnic (I am the community oddball who keeps to myself a lot) but I do think other people can be rather bizarre!


You also have to remember that if you don't have much interaction with your neighbors, as horrible as it might be to have to do so, people may think you are dangerous. Look at people on the news who do horrible stuff. The Unibomber, Jeffery Dahmer, other serial killers or people who go nuts and shoot everybody at work. All the neighbors say "He was quiet and kept to himself". Which to me, being quiet and keeping to yourself, is a good neighbor. I DONT want them dropping in for this or that, and I certainly don't do it to them, and I don't want to stop and chit chat on my walks or anything, or have to listen to their newest news if I pass them while they are in their yard or they pass me in mine, but if you don't at least put forth some effort, then the small talk will be about you and why you are so quiet and what you might possibly be up to. Which kinda sucks.

Frances



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21 Nov 2011, 3:36 pm

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So if you have never made meaningless small talk with people it is unlikely they will help you should you find yourself needing help? That is really rather strange lol. I would stop and help someone in need whether I had made small talk with them or not. The fact that they have never made small talk with me, or I with them, is neither here nor there when another individual is in need of assistance.

People will often refer to me as weird or as a sandwich short of a picnic (I am the community oddball who keeps to myself a lot) but I do think other people can be rather bizarre!


You also have to remember that if you don't have much interaction with your neighbors, as horrible as it might be to have to do so, people may think you are dangerous. Look at people on the news who do horrible stuff. The Unibomber, Jeffery Dahmer, other serial killers or people who go nuts and shoot everybody at work. All the neighbors say "He was quiet and kept to himself". Which to me, being quiet and keeping to yourself, is a good neighbor. I DONT want them dropping in for this or that, and I certainly don't do it to them, and I don't want to stop and chit chat on my walks or anything, or have to listen to their newest news if I pass them while they are in their yard or they pass me in mine, but if you don't at least put forth some effort, then the small talk will be about you and why you are so quiet and what you might possibly be up to. Which kinda sucks.

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Yes I am aware from a neighbour who insists on talking to me every time he sees me that people talk about me lol. I keep my curtains drawn during the day in the summer, for example, because I am sensitive to bright sunlight (I also don't like supermarket lights so avoid those as well) and there is much speculation right now about why I keep my curtains shut, don't talk to people much and stay in all the time (I am usually too busy with one of my hobbies to make social calls on people and I hate when people drop around as once you let them in for coffee you can't get them to go home! What you thought would be a 30 minute chat at most turns into 4 hours and then you don't get time to indulge your passion, then you get annoyed and so on. Plus I hate people disturbing my thoughts when I am contemplating something...).

It drives me nuts more than anything lol

Really people make a fuss over the strangest of things! Is keeping my curtains drawn really hurting anyone? Other than the gossips who can't see what I am doing...

They are not missing much anyway as I spend most of my time studying, surfing the web, doing art or dancing (and I don't need an audience for the latter) depending on what my main interest is at the time. At the moment it is my studies so I spend every spare minute I have on that (other than nipping online lol).

I can assure them I am not doing anything really exciting behind my closed curtains.



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21 Nov 2011, 3:45 pm

Hint that you might possibly be a vampire! I would so so SO do that! Especially if I stayed in during the day and too much light bothered me.

I'm not joking or being sarcastic, I would really do that! It would be fun to see their reactions. Or maybe do things that will make them speculate that you might be. Like never eating in front of them. Ever. Don't come out and say it or give too broad a hint though, or they will just think you are insane. The point would be to make them think of it themselves, and not think that you are part of the vampire subculture or anything, but that you might actually be a vampire.

That'll make them think twice about their own sanity!

Frances



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21 Nov 2011, 4:53 pm

This has been a great thread!

On the subject of small talk, I thought it would be interesting to find out when we all began to take part in small talk?

Personally, I didn't really take part in small talk, I found it quite uninteresting. When I was 16 and went to college and meeting more people who I didn't know, I was forced into small talk. Previous to this I often had either one-sided conversations or conversations on interests.

I discovered I wasn't good at small talk when I realised that I was either replying to "Hi, hows are you?" with either "ok, thanks" (or something simmilar), or if I asked questions back I never quite knew what to do after "What have you been upto?"

Even now, years later, I have this problem, however, it's less severe - I guess I've learned better how to deal with it. Although being in situations that usually require it make me anxious.



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21 Nov 2011, 5:09 pm

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Hint that you might possibly be a vampire! I would so so SO do that! Especially if I stayed in during the day and too much light bothered me.

I'm not joking or being sarcastic, I would really do that! It would be fun to see their reactions. Or maybe do things that will make them speculate that you might be. Like never eating in front of them. Ever. Don't come out and say it or give too broad a hint though, or they will just think you are insane. The point would be to make them think of it themselves, and not think that you are part of the vampire subculture or anything, but that you might actually be a vampire.

That'll make them think twice about their own sanity!

Frances


Tempting!

I do have a very pale complexion and very dark hair (it is the Irish and Welsh in me lol), that may help lol



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21 Nov 2011, 5:42 pm

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Hint that you might possibly be a vampire! I would so so SO do that! Especially if I stayed in during the day and too much light bothered me.

I'm not joking or being sarcastic, I would really do that! It would be fun to see their reactions. Or maybe do things that will make them speculate that you might be. Like never eating in front of them. Ever. Don't come out and say it or give too broad a hint though, or they will just think you are insane. The point would be to make them think of it themselves, and not think that you are part of the vampire subculture or anything, but that you might actually be a vampire.

That'll make them think twice about their own sanity!

Frances


You should do it like this
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a-qLWykjp4[/youtube]



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21 Nov 2011, 5:50 pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



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21 Nov 2011, 6:39 pm

I don't remember the last time I needed any serious help from anyone and I just can't handle small talk, period. So I don't care really. I also don't like receiving favors, because that means returning favors, which usually happens when I least expect it and I can't tolerate such disruptions. My life is very simple with very little possibilities of things going wrong to the point I'd need to ask strangers for help. I guess, I have more problems that it seems :( Oh, well...



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21 Nov 2011, 6:42 pm

Ways to make them think you could be a vampire:

Refer to your home as your "lair"
Get some fangs. Not huge over the top ones. Tiny ones. Wear them but try to keep them hidden. If you don't want to get fangs, then make sure you try obviously to not show your teeth when you talk or smile.
Never let them see you at the local grocery
Never let them see you outside during the day without sunglasses and carrying an open umbrella
Mention "This relentless d*mn sun!" on cloudy days
Sit on your porch at dusk and drink a glass of tomato juice. Hide it quickly when neighbors walk by. Wave.
When talking to someone wearing a crucifix, obviously notice it, widen your eyes slightly, take a half step backwards, smile nervously and continue the conversation, hurrying to end it ASAP.
When someone cuts themselves, stare at it, especially while it's bleeding. As long as it's not serious of course, a paper cut or something. Take a step towards them then stop yourself. Stare some more.
When kids come to your door selling cookies say "Oh, no thank you, I don't eat" Say that when anyone offers you food. Then correct yourself by saying, "I mean, I don't like that, but thank you anyway!" Then smile big but with closed lips.
Have a large, empty casket sized crate delivered to your house in the middle of the day. Let it sit on your porch all day long, then bring it in after dark.
If ever invited to church, frown slightly and say "Oh noooo..... I uh, have plans with someone else, I can't go, sorry"


Sorry if this is off topic, but I couldn't pass it up.

Frances



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21 Nov 2011, 6:50 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Ways to make them think you could be a vampire:

Refer to your home as your "lair"
Get some fangs. Not huge over the top ones. Tiny ones. Wear them but try to keep them hidden. If you don't want to get fangs, then make sure you try obviously to not show your teeth when you talk or smile.
Never let them see you at the local grocery
Never let them see you outside during the day without sunglasses and carrying an open umbrella
Mention "This relentless d*mn sun!" on cloudy days
Sit on your porch at dusk and drink a glass of tomato juice. Hide it quickly when neighbors walk by. Wave.
When talking to someone wearing a crucifix, obviously notice it, widen your eyes slightly, take a half step backwards, smile nervously and continue the conversation, hurrying to end it ASAP.
When someone cuts themselves, stare at it, especially while it's bleeding. As long as it's not serious of course, a paper cut or something. Take a step towards them then stop yourself. Stare some more.
When kids come to your door selling cookies say "Oh, no thank you, I don't eat" Say that when anyone offers you food. Then correct yourself by saying, "I mean, I don't like that, but thank you anyway!" Then smile big but with closed lips.
Have a large, empty casket sized crate delivered to your house in the middle of the day. Let it sit on your porch all day long, then bring it in after dark.
If ever invited to church, frown slightly and say "Oh noooo..... I uh, have plans with someone else, I can't go, sorry"


Sorry if this is off topic, but I couldn't pass it up.

Frances


LOLOLOLOLOL I am so tempted just to freak the neighbours out lol

I think one of them did mention that they never see me go out although a lot of that is I live in a small village and keep odd hours (I have a messed up circadian rhythm and tend to sleep during the day and stay up all night if I can). That gives me a head start! Being a small village people seem to pay more attention to what you are doing!

I normally call my home my hermit cave but I can go with lair instead lol.

If anyone has any more suggestions...I'd love to hear them lol



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21 Nov 2011, 7:31 pm

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To me, small talk is about the weather, or something in the news, or a local event, or whatever is happening where I am at the moment, ie; in the grocery line "No matter what line I get in, they always run out of register tape" to the person behind me. It's just something to do to get rid of the awkward standing there in silence looking around aspect of things.


I think it's really an NT thing, this awkwardness at silence. A line of Aspies at the grocery store would just stand there and wait their turn, thinking to themselves about their special interests :wink:


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21 Nov 2011, 7:53 pm

From Wikipedia:

"1. At the beginning of a conversation
When the talkers do not know each other, it allows them to show that they have friendly intentions and desire some sort of positive interaction. In a business meeting, it enables people to establish each other's reputation and level of expertise. Where there is already a relationship between the two talkers, their small talk serves as a gentle introduction before engaging in more functional topics of conversation. It allows them to signal their own mood and to sense the mood of the other person."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_talk ... munication)

So apparently I not only need to be interested in small talk, but I also need to be psychic! I need a crystal ball! See people expect too much.



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21 Nov 2011, 8:06 pm

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From Wikipedia:

"1. At the beginning of a conversation
When the talkers do not know each other, it allows them to show that they have friendly intentions and desire some sort of positive interaction. In a business meeting, it enables people to establish each other's reputation and level of expertise. Where there is already a relationship between the two talkers, their small talk serves as a gentle introduction before engaging in more functional topics of conversation. It allows them to signal their own mood and to sense the mood of the other person."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_talk ... munication)

So apparently I not only need to be interested in small talk, but I also need to be psychic! I need a crystal ball! See people expect too much.


Vampires are supposed to be psychic. Anne Rice says so anyway. ;-)

Also, vampires wouldn't make small talk. At least I don't think so. It takes away from the mystery. So, if you want to go with the vampire thing, that solves the small talk problem right there. When someone makes small talk at you, just smile, give a short answer, and turn away.

I may be on this for the whole evening.

Frances



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21 Nov 2011, 8:11 pm

The problem with small talk is it is not honest.

When someone asks you how you are you are supposed to respond with the socially acceptable reply of "I am ok, how are you" but you try giving them a full run down of how you are instead! All hell will break loose. If they do not want to know how I REALLY am why do they ask me?

Another example is "Nice sunny day today isn't it". Accepted answer "yes it is lovely" the real answer (which doesn't go down well as experience tells me) is "Well actually I really don't like sunny weather. My eyes are light sensitive and the sunshine hurts them and the heat blasting down on me makes me feel sick. I much prefer a nice rainy day as I love the smell, sound and feel of the rain on my skin. I also really enjoy a good thunder storm! I love the atmosphere it creates, it is so refreshing. I was hoping for a thunder storm last halloween but we did not get one...I was watching a good horror movie on the horror channel that night and it would have really....

Hello? Hello?

Opps they seem to have gone....

Well they started the conversation!"