The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Nope, I'm Christian and look at as "Vengeance is mine, thus saith the Lord." I figure God will deal with them however they need to be dealt with, as he knows all, and knows what punishment they truly deserve, he knows if they were just acting in ignorance or in genuine hatred, stuff I don't know. Besides, wasting your life in vengeance, is just that, wasting your life. Best thing to do is just try to move on, obviously try not to let the same person harm you in the same way again, but move on.
Yeah I'm sure they deserve an eternity of hellfire for all their sins. That's fair. Thanks God for sorting out all the baddies xoxo.
Well, he asked, I told him what I thought. Anyway...
As a believer more in Orthodox Christian theology, we generally aren't quite as big on the eternal torment thing as Protestants. We pray for the souls of the departed, that God has mercy on them, as we believe God is a just merciful God who only punishes for correction sake, not just for fun. Basically, we believe God will judge fairly and justly everyone, and the Day of Judgement will be for ALL people, Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc, and everyone will be judged according to their
works. But, after death, there is judgement, too, again based on what you do. The Bible I believe is especially harsh for Christians, as we'll all be judged according to what we know, and Christians know the truth, so knowing the truth, if we "mess up" it's less out of ignorance. Jesus said this:
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47 "Suppose a servant knows his master's wishes. But he doesn't get ready. And he doesn't do what his master wants. That servant will be beaten with many blows.
48 "But suppose the servant does not know his master's wishes. And suppose he does things for which he should be punished. He will be beaten with only a few blows.
"Much will be required of everyone who has been given much. Even more will be asked of the person who is supposed to take care of much.
Also, the Bible says I think multiple times not to gloat when your enemy falls, sometimes even with the warning that God will turn the anger he had at your enemy back towards you. I'm not talking about them in God's "dealing with them" in the context of hellfire or whatever, but even in this life, you reap what you sow, in a sense it's the same idea of karma. However, with those verses, Jesus took it even further with "Bless those who curse you, pray for those who persecute you," and then when he was on the cross, he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Also, besides the "blaspheming of the Holy Spirit" most people don't know there's a second unpardonable sin. Unforgiveness. This parable here sums it up:
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Matt 18:23-35 Therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who wanted to reconcile accounts with his servants. When he had begun to reconcile, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. But because he couldn’t pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down and kneeled before him, saying, ‘Lord, have patience with me, and I will repay you all!’ The lord of that servant, being moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. "But that servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, who owed him one hundred denarii, and he grabbed him, and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ "So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will repay you!’ He would not, but went and cast him into prison, until he should pay back that which was due. So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were exceedingly sorry, and came and told to their lord all that was done. Then his lord called him in, and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me. Shouldn’t you also have had mercy on your fellow servant, even as I had mercy on you?’ His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, until he should pay all that was due to him. So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds."
I realize too, I've wronged people, I've hurt people, I'm not perfect. We all aren't. So thus, I'm not a good enough judge or pillar of righteousness or whatever to take out my revenge on people. This doesn't however, mean you let people walk all over you, and wrong you again and again, just if the action has already happened, it's done, there's nothing you can do about it anymore. There is a distinction, though, you shouldn't take revenge against a person, however, sometimes people need to be stopped if they are doing too much damage with their evil actions, but there's a difference between, say, self defense if someone breaks into your house trying to steal your stuff, versus if you found out someone stole something from your house and you go to his house and shoot him or steal his stuff.
Anyway, to sum it up, forgiveness is the best thing, it's hard as hell, it's not magic either, some Christians have this idea of "declaring" someone forgiven without the repentance (which in Greek I believe means 'change of mind') accompanying it, but it's the best thing for us to do for our own happiness.