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29 Nov 2011, 11:46 am

Individuals sometimes piss me off and I feel like I'd like to get them back somehow, but I can never maintain those feelings. I tend to forget to follow through. I guess that would be a no! lol



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29 Nov 2011, 11:52 am

Not in real life. But when someone kills me in Modern Warfare 3? Hell yeah I want revenge.



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29 Nov 2011, 11:52 am

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No, I don't hate NTs and I don't want to seek revenge.

To OliveOilMom: Even though I'm Pro-Life and you're Pro-Choice, I think that it's stupid that somebody asked you if you're an atheist because of your beliefs. Why can't people just mind their own business instead of trying to start arguments?

It would be like somebody presuming that I pop pills and ride on a scooter because I'm a Mod.


But_scooters_really_rock! I'd so suggest getting one if you could. They aren't as fast or scary or fun as big bikes are, but they are great for girls I think.

The thing about being pro choice is that I support both choices. Way too many people see pro choice as pro abortion. I'm not. If I were to get pregnant now, at my age, 47, I would certainly go to the doctor and find out everything about the baby. I would find out if I should or should not go through with the pregnancy for my health and the baby's health.

I can also see why young girls would get abortions if they get pregnant. Many parents are horrible to their children for having sex, and a lot of those same parents will not even talk to their kids about sex. When my daughters bf moved in with her, I immediately took her for birth control. They are engaged now, and will get married as soon as they get out of college and can both afford it. I didn't want my daughter to be put in that position, where by physically expressing herself to her fiance, she may end up in a situation that she cannot deal with right now. We talked about all the health issues, and knowledgable about them. I have to trust her to make her own decisions.

But yeah, scooters rock. You should check one out.

Frances



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29 Nov 2011, 12:03 pm

Yes I want revenge on the people who exploited and hurt me, whether they're NT or not is irrelevant. I've wanted revenge for so long and so badly that it slowly ate me up inside.



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29 Nov 2011, 12:32 pm

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29 Nov 2011, 1:13 pm

I don't really want to take revenge on people...sometimes I feel that way but I wouldn't do it.

More so I want people to see things from my perspective. Punishing or hurting someone just to pay them doesn't accomplish that, because they still don't understand. I can let a lot of things go but sometimes I get very aggressive about making my point to someone who doesn't get it.



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29 Nov 2011, 2:06 pm

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Nope, I'm Christian and look at as "Vengeance is mine, thus saith the Lord." I figure God will deal with them however they need to be dealt with, as he knows all, and knows what punishment they truly deserve, he knows if they were just acting in ignorance or in genuine hatred, stuff I don't know. Besides, wasting your life in vengeance, is just that, wasting your life. Best thing to do is just try to move on, obviously try not to let the same person harm you in the same way again, but move on.


Yeah I'm sure they deserve an eternity of hellfire for all their sins. That's fair. Thanks God for sorting out all the baddies xoxo.


Well, he asked, I told him what I thought. Anyway...

As a believer more in Orthodox Christian theology, we generally aren't quite as big on the eternal torment thing as Protestants. We pray for the souls of the departed, that God has mercy on them, as we believe God is a just merciful God who only punishes for correction sake, not just for fun. Basically, we believe God will judge fairly and justly everyone, and the Day of Judgement will be for ALL people, Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc, and everyone will be judged according to their works. But, after death, there is judgement, too, again based on what you do. The Bible I believe is especially harsh for Christians, as we'll all be judged according to what we know, and Christians know the truth, so knowing the truth, if we "mess up" it's less out of ignorance. Jesus said this:

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47 "Suppose a servant knows his master's wishes. But he doesn't get ready. And he doesn't do what his master wants. That servant will be beaten with many blows.

48 "But suppose the servant does not know his master's wishes. And suppose he does things for which he should be punished. He will be beaten with only a few blows.

"Much will be required of everyone who has been given much. Even more will be asked of the person who is supposed to take care of much.


Also, the Bible says I think multiple times not to gloat when your enemy falls, sometimes even with the warning that God will turn the anger he had at your enemy back towards you. I'm not talking about them in God's "dealing with them" in the context of hellfire or whatever, but even in this life, you reap what you sow, in a sense it's the same idea of karma. However, with those verses, Jesus took it even further with "Bless those who curse you, pray for those who persecute you," and then when he was on the cross, he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Also, besides the "blaspheming of the Holy Spirit" most people don't know there's a second unpardonable sin. Unforgiveness. This parable here sums it up:
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Matt 18:23-35 Therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who wanted to reconcile accounts with his servants. When he had begun to reconcile, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. But because he couldn’t pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down and kneeled before him, saying, ‘Lord, have patience with me, and I will repay you all!’ The lord of that servant, being moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. "But that servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, who owed him one hundred denarii, and he grabbed him, and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ "So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will repay you!’ He would not, but went and cast him into prison, until he should pay back that which was due. So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were exceedingly sorry, and came and told to their lord all that was done. Then his lord called him in, and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me. Shouldn’t you also have had mercy on your fellow servant, even as I had mercy on you?’ His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, until he should pay all that was due to him. So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds."


I realize too, I've wronged people, I've hurt people, I'm not perfect. We all aren't. So thus, I'm not a good enough judge or pillar of righteousness or whatever to take out my revenge on people. This doesn't however, mean you let people walk all over you, and wrong you again and again, just if the action has already happened, it's done, there's nothing you can do about it anymore. There is a distinction, though, you shouldn't take revenge against a person, however, sometimes people need to be stopped if they are doing too much damage with their evil actions, but there's a difference between, say, self defense if someone breaks into your house trying to steal your stuff, versus if you found out someone stole something from your house and you go to his house and shoot him or steal his stuff.

Anyway, to sum it up, forgiveness is the best thing, it's hard as hell, it's not magic either, some Christians have this idea of "declaring" someone forgiven without the repentance (which in Greek I believe means 'change of mind') accompanying it, but it's the best thing for us to do for our own happiness.



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29 Nov 2011, 2:30 pm

I would seek justice but not revenge. Unfortunately my way of seeking justice usually ends up backfiring on me. So it seems that revenge might be the best option but I am never sure what constitutes revenge. If you were bullied what would revenge entail? Trying to bully them back?



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29 Nov 2011, 3:02 pm

Yes, I have a few people written on my hate list. But some aren't a particular person. I would love to take revenge on some of the snooty cows in this small shopping centre where I've gone to before, because they look at me up and down, some giggle and some just give off the impression that says, ''eww what's that ugly weird thing coming into my shop?''

I will f*****g get those c***s back one day, especially those who have giggled at me for.....well, for just being a customer in their shop. They should think themselves lucky they got customers. I would be so happy to see their shops fold up and they be out of work and on the dole. f*****g s**theads I hate them.


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29 Nov 2011, 10:03 pm

I have never wanted to take revenge on anyone.



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29 Nov 2011, 10:13 pm

The best revenge is living well.



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30 Nov 2011, 12:20 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
No, I don't hate NTs and I don't want to seek revenge.

To OliveOilMom: Even though I'm Pro-Life and you're Pro-Choice, I think that it's stupid that somebody asked you if you're an atheist because of your beliefs. Why can't people just mind their own business instead of trying to start arguments?

It would be like somebody presuming that I pop pills and ride on a scooter because I'm a Mod.


But_scooters_really_rock! I'd so suggest getting one if you could. They aren't as fast or scary or fun as big bikes are, but they are great for girls I think.

The thing about being pro choice is that I support both choices. Way too many people see pro choice as pro abortion. I'm not. If I were to get pregnant now, at my age, 47, I would certainly go to the doctor and find out everything about the baby. I would find out if I should or should not go through with the pregnancy for my health and the baby's health.

I can also see why young girls would get abortions if they get pregnant. Many parents are horrible to their children for having sex, and a lot of those same parents will not even talk to their kids about sex. When my daughters bf moved in with her, I immediately took her for birth control. They are engaged now, and will get married as soon as they get out of college and can both afford it. I didn't want my daughter to be put in that position, where by physically expressing herself to her fiance, she may end up in a situation that she cannot deal with right now. We talked about all the health issues, and knowledgable about them. I have to trust her to make her own decisions.

But yeah, scooters rock. You should check one out.

Frances


I also think that scooters are cool. The problem is that I don't know how to drive. I have a wonderful idea. I can go to Driving School and get my license! :idea:


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30 Nov 2011, 12:23 am

I also agree that religion is a very complex matter. With many different religions in the world, people are bound to have just as many beliefs.


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30 Nov 2011, 12:24 am

What colour scooter should I get?


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30 Nov 2011, 1:09 am

Revenge isn't in my values.


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30 Nov 2011, 12:57 pm

i want revenge real bad because people took advantage of me and tried to hurt me just because i was vulnerable and clueless and trusted people i shouldn't and suspected those i should've trusted. i never knew whom to trust. i didn't have friends to protect me. i took chances. my parents didn't exactly go out of their way to protect me...
never mind what i'd like to do to some people. let's just say it's very violent. i don't hate all NTs. my sister and two older nieces are NTs and i love them like crazy and i'm proud of them. i'm not a hateful person but if someone messes with me and pushes me over the edge, i will not be responsible for my actions.