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08 Dec 2011, 12:06 pm

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I'm tired of all these stories on WP of depressed people. You should be thankful that your not starving to death in Africa or slowly dying from an awful disease.


This is inane. What relevance does this have to any particular person's problems? Why don't they have any right to have problems just because someone, somewhere, has it worse?


Worse is a matter of opinion.



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08 Dec 2011, 12:11 pm

When i 1st started reading your post i wanted to slap u one up the side of the head with something..
But heres a happy topic for you
"Aspies never forget"
ive debated this one with a few of my friends on the spectrum some say they do others say they have memories like elephants, you be the judge =)



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08 Dec 2011, 12:17 pm

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The reason people are so sad here is because its somewhere that people can talk about the negative parts and generally be understood, accepted, and still feel safe.

It's not that we're all constantly depressed (though there are quite a few of us on here with depression), its that positive things are far easier to share in other places, while somewhere like this is needed for some of us to feel safe.

Also, discussing the "negative things" allow us to discuss others' coping mechanisms, allowing for us to learn from others' experiences. And when that can't be done, "shared pain is lessened, shared joy increased", the shared pain aspect does matter too.

However, there are advantages and they are talked about as well. I don't necessarily agree with the advantages you've listed though.

One thing I can say that's positive though is that its because of my special interest in math that I can tutor people so effectively. Just knowing the subject doesn't get through to people as much, actually being passionate makes people far more interested in the subject.



I agree. My family is negative to alot of my Aspie traits so I come here asking if WP does X behavior and get tons of positive feedback that "Hey others on the spectrum do this too." :-) If I had someone in my life that was understanding of my traits I'd talk to them but as it stands now I don't. Personally that's one of the traits I'm going to look for in a guy someone who is understanding of my traits and not negative about them. Also posting in the Haven when my family really gets me down is comforting and I've overall got very good advice from WP in the years I've been here. :-)



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08 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm

here with a minority opinion-
the OP's heart is in the right place, he was merely saying that it could always be worse. that is a kind of cold comfort which is still better than the cold pricklies we normally encounter in this hellworld. it isn't perfect but nothing on this earth is. people need to lighten up a bit here. it wasn't like he was saying we should all jump into the oven or something. he was merely expressing his truth which works for him, and if it resonates with anybody else, so much the better, and if not, no real harm was done.



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08 Dec 2011, 12:29 pm

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Being thankful one is not starving in africa does not cure depression.


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08 Dec 2011, 12:34 pm

maybe i wouldn't be sad if i knew what the hell was going on with me. but i thought i was a freak all my life. i didn't understand why i paced back and forth and flipped my fingers, or why i flipped the handkerchief and watched it, sometimes for an hour or two at a time. and i thought i was extermely stupid. i found out at 45 i was an aspie and a bit too late. i didnt go to college because i thought i was really dumb and other people could do things i couldnt and understand things i couldn't and i was constantly picked on. maybe things would've turned out differently if i knew before. and my parents made me feel like a freak and be ashamed of my behavoir, which i couldn't stop, as you well know.
i'm not sad all the time and i'm working and living alone and trying to improve my financial situation, and i have nieces i'm crazy about and i had two great cats. life isn't all bad.
if you know what you have in early childhood and you have support from your family, then it's much, much different...
some things about AS are good, like hyperactivity. i used to be crazy hyper in my twenties and thrities. i loved it. it was like a shot of adrenaline. and it helped a lot on the job, too. i really miss it.
ocds are not a good things at all, though, they drive me nuts. so does general anxiety and learning disability and inability to pay attention for more than five minutes... all very common for us, aspies. insomnia and stomach achs bug me, too, and stopped me from doing things i really wanted to do. like i took kickboxing classes and was excellent at it and loved it, but then i had stomach achs from all this running and jumping and had to drop out. damn.
and i cant have a morning job because of my insomnia. kinda hard to wake up early to go to work when you've been up half the night.



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08 Dec 2011, 12:40 pm

You should stop reading stuff that depresses you if it bothers you so much.

I'm NOT depressive at all, yet I can handle it here. Autism for a lot of Autistics is NOT fun, and causes many, MANY problems. That said, you DO have a good point, but I don't think you're choosing a very good way to present it.

Positive thinking isn't a bad thing, unless you think it's the cure-all for everything. It's NOT.

It is good to think as positively as possible. That will have a positive affect on your life. I use it and I believe in it. But I do not live under the illusion that it'll get rid of all your problems. It will help to be better at handling life, but it won't miraculously cause your life to become as good as you could possibly wish it to be.

If you have real problems in life, the first step toward dealing with them is to ACKNOWLEDGE them. That's not a pretty process. It's messy, and it can be depressing. That's what you're seeing here.

Telling people to just stop thinking about it, and "think happy thoughts," usually won't do anything but piss them off, which presumably isn't what seem to want, but it is what happens.

You should also keep in mind that you don't have any right to dictate how anyone should feel but yourself.

If you want to lift spirits of others, do it by keeping your own positive attitude, but don't push it on them. If the negative stuff here is getting to you, go find more positive stuff to read. Take a break from here if you have to. But don't even bother trying to change the overall atmosphere here. You are outnumbered by something like 57,000 to one. You don't stand a chance.

You may have a terrific support system around you. You may have a very supportive family and understanding friends. We don't all have that. While a positive attitude is a good thing to have, realism (which is NOT the same thing as negativity), also has to play a role.

What people who are down on themselves need is acceptance and support. Not lectures.

Incidentally, I seem to remember making similar post not long after signing up, and effectively having my ass handed to me. I didn't mean to "lecture" anybody, but that's how it seemed to come across. Now I know why.


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08 Dec 2011, 12:49 pm

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I'm tired of all these stories on WP of depressed people. You should be thankful that your not starving to death in Africa or slowly dying from an awful disease. So I've decided to make a happy thread. This thread is about the ADVANTAGES of being on the spectrum. Here are some, I'd like you to add some more:
-Usually smarter then most NT
-Greater attention to detail
-When on a subject you enjoy you can have great conversations
More to come!

Jeebuss! That's all we need; more smarmy, condescending, judgmental guilt-trippery from a self-appointed expert on depression and all things Aspie - exactly the kind of NT behavior that drove us all to become members of WrongPlanet in the first place!

Get over yourself, already.
OP, if you're tired of seeing "depressing" topics, don't click. As for the "some people are starving" argument, yes, some people here are intentionally starving themselves in hopes of having more control over their life. For some, years of failure in social situations can add up to loneliness and feel like slow death Look, I know you mean well, but telling people that things could be worse isn't helping. It sometimes comes to a point for some where looking on the bright side isn't helping.



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08 Dec 2011, 12:52 pm

Everyone is free to skip threads/posts. I'm not a parent, consequently i don't read the "Parents discussion". If anyone feels pissed by others expression of sadness -- just move on. It's that simple.

Next, this "it could always be worse" BS. How would you feel if you lost a leg or an arm in an accident and anybody would tell you, don't make such a hassle, you still got one leg/arm, while others have lost both? That's stupid BS because everybody can only experience their own pain, sadness, whatsoever. How could a person derive solace from the realization that other living beings are probably in a worse situation?

Same applies for this Africa BS. Their problems are not even remotely the same as mine and the other way round.

Generally, if people express how they feel, it makes no sense to come up with rationalizations.



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08 Dec 2011, 12:55 pm

Teredia wrote:
When i 1st started reading your post i wanted to slap u one up the side of the head with something..
But heres a happy topic for you
"Aspies never forget"
ive debated this one with a few of my friends on the spectrum some say they do others say they have memories like elephants, you be the judge =)

I know I have a long memory for things-also aspies have been kicked,treated badly,misunderstood and lied to by many people over the years I know I have and its hard to keep a positive attitude about things-everyone has things to be thankful for but all the bad things seem to outweigh the good things


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08 Dec 2011, 12:57 pm

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This website exists to help support people, so it's kind of expected to be depressing. Most people here have no one else to turn to, and they've got to let out their frustration somehow.

I think the best way to make this place happier is to try and help anyone who needs it in any way you know how. Sometimes it makes a difference just to know someone cares.
Thank you for saying this. This is one of the reasons I like coming on WP. If I can help others know that they aren't the only ones having a hard time, if my posts can make someone's day a bit better, then I've done my job. :)



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08 Dec 2011, 1:06 pm

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08 Dec 2011, 2:16 pm

This post is utterly stupid, pointless and dumb. How in the hell is someone going to tell us that we should be thankful? I'd like to meet this idiot...Obviously there are people on this website that just don't get it. Yes, there can be positive sides to having an ASD, i'm not denying that. But about 90% of the issues that people with an ASD face aren't that positive, which in my case can lead to severe depression or other problems...How about them apples huh? I'm sure A LOT of people on here can agree with me.

Get your facts right bud.



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08 Dec 2011, 2:19 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Zabriski wrote:
I'm tired of all these stories on WP of depressed people. You should be thankful that your not starving to death in Africa or slowly dying from an awful disease.


This is inane. What relevance does this have to any particular person's problems? Why don't they have any right to have problems just because someone, somewhere, has it worse?


Worse is a matter of opinion.


True, but I accepted that premise for the sake of making my point.



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08 Dec 2011, 2:25 pm

For those of you who haven't noticed, the OP has apologized for this. It's in another thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt182901.html

I really think he was just trying to help. It may have been poorly worded, but don't we ALL do that sometimes?

Can we please give him a break?


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08 Dec 2011, 3:03 pm

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NTs are waaay smarter than me. You will realise that humans are clever creatures if you watch the whole of ''Life After People''. That will tell you how humans have managed to keep this world standing and going, and it's not just because of social interaction. Humans seem to know how to maintain buildings. I couldn't do that. And to know how to do it in the first place, somebody's got to be taught, and the teacher is most likely not Aspie, and the teacher would have to of read information about it somewhere, and someone has to look into things in order to get information up onto the internet and in books, etc. Information doesn't just crop up on it's own - humans are finding things out every day. Who's to say NTs are stupid? If NTs were that stupid, how would we have got to where we are today?

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So? What's so great about having attention to detail? And who said NTs don't notice detail? Every time I go on Youtube, there is always a comment made about something tiny and trivial in the video what I missed.

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-When on a subject you enjoy you can have great conversations

Nobody's interested in what I like, and even when I just bring up my special interest just once to a person, they seem to change the subject quickly as though they've mysteriously found out that there is an intense obsession behind what I have just brought up for the first time.


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