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11 Dec 2011, 2:21 pm

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Do you know that the brain can be rewired?

Any evidence of this?


When we are born, there is very little wiring; we call this our instincts. Then our brains begin to be wired. Many factors play a role in the way that it is wired. Does the wiring stop at some certain age? No. It only stops when you die. But you might say, 'Ok but after lets say X years of life, can the brain be rewired much? Can it be rewired dramatically?' I think yes and my theory of knowledge suggests so. Is there any evidence to the contrary?



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11 Dec 2011, 3:05 pm

rombomb2 wrote:
Rational wrote:
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Do you know that the brain can be rewired?

Any evidence of this?


When we are born, there is very little wiring; we call this our instincts. Then our brains begin to be wired. Many factors play a role in the way that it is wired. Does the wiring stop at some certain age? No. It only stops when you die. But you might say, 'Ok but after lets say X years of life, can the brain be rewired much? Can it be rewired dramatically?' I think yes and my theory of knowledge suggests so. Is there any evidence to the contrary?


What happened with the quote?

Anyway, the wiring you are talking about is inherently different than the wiring that they talk about when comparing NTs to Aspies, which cannot change and exists before birth.


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11 Dec 2011, 4:56 pm

Ganondox wrote:
Rational wrote:
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Do you know that the brain can be rewired?

Any evidence of this?


When we are born, there is very little wiring; we call this our instincts. Then our brains begin to be wired. Many factors play a role in the way that it is wired. Does the wiring stop at some certain age? No. It only stops when you die. But you might say, 'Ok but after lets say X years of life, can the brain be rewired much? Can it be rewired dramatically?' I think yes and my theory of knowledge suggests so. Is there any evidence to the contrary?


...the wiring you are talking about is inherently different than the wiring that they talk about when comparing NTs to Aspies, which cannot change and exists before birth.


What you are suggesting is that the aspie symdrome is resultant from hiredwiring just like instincts are. But I don't know any evidence that suggests this. Do you?

Our dna and other factors determine how our brains become wired; this is softwiring. So there is an aspie gene that caused our brains to get wired a certain way that causes our unconscious minds to have a lot of trouble learning social knowledge like social cues and the meaning behind them. But we can rewire softwiring, therefore we can improve our capacity to learn social knowledge.



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11 Dec 2011, 5:03 pm

Hardware refers to the physical structure of a component, such as processor for a computer, and it would be closer to the difference between an NT and an Aspie brain, while software is the programs being run, like Microsoft Word, which is closer to what you appear to be describing with rewiring and stuff.


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11 Dec 2011, 5:06 pm

How can aspies understand math and science?

That is basically the same question the OP is asking but written differently.
It is an aspie stereotype that I dont fit into.
Look at my user name it is proof that aspies can and do understand the arts.
I love nature photography and I have been told that my poetry is pretty good.
It is very difficult for me to understand math,science and logic. My emotions are much stronger than my logic.
To say that aspies lack an emotional connection with the arts is ridiculous. We are all different.



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11 Dec 2011, 5:15 pm

Ganondox wrote:
Hardware refers to the physical structure of a component, such as processor for a computer, and it would be closer to the difference between an NT and an Aspie brain, while software is the programs being run, like Microsoft Word, which is closer to what you appear to be describing with rewiring and stuff.


I know what you are saying. But is this a sufficient refutation? Do you been exposed to evidence to the contrary? I really want to know because if you are right, then there is not much hope in my endeavor. Please find the evidence you're talking about and please provide a link. Thanks in advance. :)



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11 Dec 2011, 5:29 pm

rombomb2 wrote:
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Hardware refers to the physical structure of a component, such as processor for a computer, and it would be closer to the difference between an NT and an Aspie brain, while software is the programs being run, like Microsoft Word, which is closer to what you appear to be describing with rewiring and stuff.


I know what you are saying. But is this a sufficient refutation? Do you been exposed to evidence to the contrary? I really want to know because if you are right, then there is not much hope in my endeavor. Please find the evidence you're talking about and please provide a link. Thanks in advance. :)


I'm not saying what your doing is futile, you can change your personality, but you can't cure Aspergers.


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11 Dec 2011, 5:43 pm

Ganondox wrote:
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Hardware refers to the physical structure of a component, such as processor for a computer, and it would be closer to the difference between an NT and an Aspie brain, while software is the programs being run, like Microsoft Word, which is closer to what you appear to be describing with rewiring and stuff.


I know what you are saying. But is this a sufficient refutation? Do you been exposed to evidence to the contrary? I really want to know because if you are right, then there is not much hope in my endeavor. Please find the evidence you're talking about and please provide a link. Thanks in advance. :)


I'm not saying what your doing is futile, you can change your personality, but you can't cure Aspergers.


I agree. All we can hope to do is improve our wiring. We can't rewire our brains to the point that our brains are wired like non-aspeis. But aspergers is not an all or none phenomenon. There are degrees. And rewiring means that we can move a few degrees towards non-aspei behavior and thinking.



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11 Dec 2011, 5:52 pm

Bad at photography? People tell me I'm a genius or gifted. I think it's my attention to detail and my way of looking at things that are just basic everyday boring things as opportunities at artistic expression that makes me a good photographer.

I get told I have a good eye and great composition. I just don't point and click the camera like I see many concert photographers doing but I communicate with the subject, almost like we're getting to know each other.

I get my artistic skills from my dad and learned how to draw in detail at a very young age, even if I didn't get to a professional level it still helped me see objects with more detail. When I work on photos for hours then leave to do something else the world just becomes as detailed as that photograph, it just sticks right out.

I used to see art in a less technical way but I think some of that emotion I used to have still exists.

I've been told I'm a fair good writer too. Being mostly visual I had to learn to think verbally, by actually writing out descriptions and not just assuming that what I see in my mind is what my readers will see. Thing is the way I see my characters is the way I really want my readers to see them. I put so much description in their accents and body type, hair and clothes.

I've won awards for art (aged 10), I've been asked to put them in exhibitions, had political figures praise them and been interviewed in newspapers. I barely felt the need and at times was confused as why this simple skill I've always known is being fussed over so.
Currently I'm struggling to learn how to paint in a lot of detail with beautiful effects and I still get praised, by other artists mind you.

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How can aspies understand math and science?

That is basically the same question the OP is asking but written differently.
It is an aspie stereotype that I dont fit into.
Look at my user name it is proof that aspies can and do understand the arts.
I love nature photography and I have been told that my poetry is pretty good.
It is very difficult for me to understand math,science and logic. My emotions are much stronger than my logic.
To say that aspies lack an emotional connection with the arts is ridiculous. We are all different.

I'm a little from column A, little from column B.
No matter how many times I practice math it will never stay in my head.
I have to work really hard at memorising and understanding scientific facts. I don't mind watching a documentary about the same subject I've seen 2000 times before because it just helps to stay in my head longer.

I do think that being really talented in one area and rotten in another (say math) is better than having the balance of both because you can have an almost savant-level of expertise in it. Sometimes I need to mix art with math and science so my works have a bit more proportion and 3d-feeling to them.
There's a book about learning to draw from the right side of your brain because all that logic can get in the way of good art. Art for me can be relaxing or if I think too much about the outcome it can be really stressful. The latter is usually because I think too damn much and don't just allow myself to be taken away by my imagination.


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11 Dec 2011, 6:01 pm

I have special interests in both clothing and photography. I design/sew my own clothing. I started designing my own jewelry and I'm gifted in digital art and photo manipulation. I was also told I was gifted at Creative writing and poetry even though I have Dyslexia.
[img][img]http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/196834_18150779024_514469024_114856_213_n.jpg[/img]
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I also make my own cosplay costumes
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... c81ca0ff6f
Anyway As far as my AS talents they are all art related. I'm actually really bad at Math, reading, and spelling. I had to have talents somewhere LOL, but I'd trade one of them for Math though.



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11 Dec 2011, 6:08 pm

artrat wrote:
How can aspies understand math and science?

That is basically the same question the OP is asking but written differently.
It is an aspie stereotype that I dont fit into.
Look at my user name it is proof that aspies can and do understand the arts.
I love nature photography and I have been told that my poetry is pretty good.
It is very difficult for me to understand math,science and logic. My emotions are much stronger than my logic.
To say that aspies lack an emotional connection with the arts is ridiculous. We are all different.


I just noticed that your username was art-rat and not ar-trat. I'm slow.

I have an emotional connection to art, I just don't think it's the same one NTs have. My emotions are strong, I just don't let them control my descisions. If I had no emotions I would have no problems.

I really do not understand how people are bad at math, and its quite frustrating when I'm helping someone with their math and they just don't get it. I won't do the work for them as I want them to understand, so I just guide them through it by asking them questions and pointing things out, but when I'm practically dragging them through it I'm strongly tempted to just leave them and do it all for them, but for their own good I won't. I really feel like shouting "OMFG, it's a simple pattern, why is it so hard to get? You just take the freaking variable and replace with any freaking thing, it could be flying cows for all I care, and it would still be true as it is a freaking identity. Why does it seem like I'm the only person who gets this?". Sorry, I just really don't get it.


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11 Dec 2011, 6:21 pm

Ganondox wrote:
I really do not understand how people are bad at math, and its quite frustrating when I'm helping someone with their math and they just don't get it. I won't do the work for them as I want them to understand, so I just guide them through it by asking them questions and pointing things out, but when I'm practically dragging them through it I'm strongly tempted to just leave them and do it all for them, but for their own good I won't. I really feel like shouting "OMFG, it's a simple pattern, why is it so hard to get? You just take the freaking variable and replace with any freaking thing, it could be flying cows for all I care, and it would still be true as it is a freaking identity. Why does it seem like I'm the only person who gets this?". Sorry, I just really don't get it.


There is an equivalent to illiteracy, it's innumeracy. Although I function on a day to day basis I have no understanding, and even less interest in mathematics. That shouldn't be that hard to grasp or indeed accept. We all have different strengths and weaknesses irrespective of AS/ASD/NT status.


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11 Dec 2011, 6:40 pm

Ganondox wrote:
I really do not understand how people are bad at math, and its quite frustrating when I'm helping someone with their math and they just don't get it. I won't do the work for them as I want them to understand, so I just guide them through it by asking them questions and pointing things out, but when I'm practically dragging them through it I'm strongly tempted to just leave them and do it all for them, but for their own good I won't. I really feel like shouting "OMFG, it's a simple pattern, why is it so hard to get? You just take the freaking variable and replace with any freaking thing, it could be flying cows for all I care, and it would still be true as it is a freaking identity. Why does it seem like I'm the only person who gets this?". Sorry, I just really don't get it.


Hi Ganondox. I'm interested to know what sorts of methods and tools, visual or otherwise, that you used to help explain the material to them?



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11 Dec 2011, 6:45 pm

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I really do not understand how people are bad at math, and its quite frustrating when I'm helping someone with their math and they just don't get it. I won't do the work for them as I want them to understand, so I just guide them through it by asking them questions and pointing things out, but when I'm practically dragging them through it I'm strongly tempted to just leave them and do it all for them, but for their own good I won't. I really feel like shouting "OMFG, it's a simple pattern, why is it so hard to get? You just take the freaking variable and replace with any freaking thing, it could be flying cows for all I care, and it would still be true as it is a freaking identity. Why does it seem like I'm the only person who gets this?". Sorry, I just really don't get it.


There is an equivalent to illiteracy, it's innumeracy. Although I function on a day to day basis I have no understanding, and even less interest in mathematics. That shouldn't be that hard to grasp or indeed accept. We all have different strengths and weaknesses irrespective of AS/ASD/NT status.


Practically I understand why people are bad at math, it's just that it makes no sense to me....empathetically? I can't imagine how someone could be bad at it as I guess I'm just too good at it.


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11 Dec 2011, 7:06 pm

Angel_ryan wrote:
I have special interests in both clothing and photography. I design/sew my own clothing. I started designing my own jewelry and I'm gifted in digital art and photo manipulation. I was also told I was gifted at Creative writing and poetry even though I have Dyslexia.
[img][img]http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/196834_18150779024_514469024_114856_213_n.jpg[/img]
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I also make my own cosplay costumes
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... c81ca0ff6f
Anyway As far as my AS talents they are all art related. I'm actually really bad at Math, reading, and spelling. I had to have talents somewhere LOL, but I'd trade one of them for Math though.


My mother designs and makes costumes and other clothes. She is of professional quality, but she doesn't make a living off of doing it.

I wish I could trade some of my mathematical talent for more artistic talent, being able to formulate complex proofs and solve differential equations in my head isn't doing me any good. I want to be a game designer, and while I'm good at programming, I really want to be good at the graphic design as the artists are the ones who get creative control, which is what I want.


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11 Dec 2011, 7:14 pm

rombomb2 wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
I really do not understand how people are bad at math, and its quite frustrating when I'm helping someone with their math and they just don't get it. I won't do the work for them as I want them to understand, so I just guide them through it by asking them questions and pointing things out, but when I'm practically dragging them through it I'm strongly tempted to just leave them and do it all for them, but for their own good I won't. I really feel like shouting "OMFG, it's a simple pattern, why is it so hard to get? You just take the freaking variable and replace with any freaking thing, it could be flying cows for all I care, and it would still be true as it is a freaking identity. Why does it seem like I'm the only person who gets this?". Sorry, I just really don't get it.


Hi Ganondox. I'm interested to know what sorts of methods and tools, visual or otherwise, that you used to help explain the material to them?


I don't, which may be part of the problem. People just come to me and ask for help as I'm the best at math there, and then I have to guide them along through the problems without any preparation.

When solving math problems my thoughts are almost entirely visual in a weird way, the only verbal thoughts is a bit of a running commentary. I imagine functions as sort of fluid and animated objects, but they still resemble the function, it's hard to explain.


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