My life is a series of misunderstandings

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13 Dec 2011, 11:19 pm

Do people believe things about you that aren't true, or not?

If they do then you can't say the problem is Aspergers unless they have Aspergers, or unless Aspergers means you believe incorrect things about yourself.



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13 Dec 2011, 11:25 pm

dianthus wrote:
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How can Aspergers be the reason that other people have misunderstandings of you? They don't have it. It can only be the reason you have misunderstandings. Hence I think your solution doesn't work.


Why didn't you just say that to start with?

Does anyone else agree with this? Does having AS mean you only have misunderstandings of other people, but other people cannot misunderstand you?


No, I disagree completely. I have had NTs explicitly tell me that they have trouble understanding me. That is likely because I am autistic, but it still results in other people misinterpreting me.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:10 am

Verdandi wrote:
dianthus wrote:
fraac wrote:
How can Aspergers be the reason that other people have misunderstandings of you? They don't have it. It can only be the reason you have misunderstandings. Hence I think your solution doesn't work.


Why didn't you just say that to start with?

Does anyone else agree with this? Does having AS mean you only have misunderstandings of other people, but other people cannot misunderstand you?


No, I disagree completely. I have had NTs explicitly tell me that they have trouble understanding me. That is likely because I am autistic, but it still results in other people misinterpreting me.


I also disagree, people often preceptive my actions quite different than my intentions. I guess I am insane by fraac standards.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:15 am

Or the people doing the misperceiving aren't very bright?



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14 Dec 2011, 12:20 am

I doubt intelligence has much to do with it.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:22 am

It does in my experience.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:26 am

Some misunderstandings based on verbal or written communication could be attributed to low intelligence. However I don't see how intelligence could be a factor in misinterpreting body language.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:27 am

fraac wrote:
Or the people doing the misperceiving aren't very bright?


Respectfully, you strike me as a bit arrogant. Not everyone around you is a complete idiot and I doubt everyone around me is.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:31 am

"However I don't see how intelligence could be a factor in misinterpreting body language."

The difference between "I don't understand this. I'd better investigate further" and "I don't understand this but I'll assume I do" is largely a matter of intelligence, don't you think?

"Not everyone around you is an complete idiot and I doubt everyone around me is."

Indeed, and the smart ones can understand me perfectly well. I have every evidence required to conclude that there is something wrong with people who misinterpret me.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:35 am

I am just trying to get more information and figure things out and I can't believe I am being responded to in such a manner. Fraac I ask you again, what is the purpose of your questioning me and replying in the way you are doing?

AS is the simplest explanation I have at the moment for all the things I have been wondering about, not just what I have described in this thread but various other life experiences that I do not have any other explanation for. I am not trying to make a huge leap into saying I have it when I don't know for sure. I am simply weighing all the information I take in and trying to understand my life experiences in that context.

The only other explanation I have found reasonable is NVLD, and there was something I read in a description of it that made me think it is less likely but I can't recall offhand what it was.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:40 am

Let's say you probably have Aspergers. That ought to completely change the way you see yourself in the world. You'll have to come up with a new consistent model of how things work. I'm trying to help you not rush to any conclusions while you're forming that model.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:41 am

fraac wrote:
The difference between "I don't understand this. I'd better investigate further" and "I don't understand this but I'll assume I do" is largely a matter of intelligence, don't you think?


No, I don't think it is. Intelligent people make assumptions just as easily as those with less intelligence.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:44 am

Intelligent people test and revise their assumptions. Once an intelligent person had misread you once they would be inclined to do better next time.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:49 am

fraac wrote:
Let's say you probably have Aspergers. That ought to completely change the way you see yourself in the world. You'll have to come up with a new consistent model of how things work. I'm trying to help you not rush to any conclusions while you're forming that model.


Thanks for explaining. That is not how you were coming across to me. It seemed more hurtful than helpful.

I am not rushing to any conclusions, I am just trying them on to see how they fit.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:51 am

While he comes across a little rude, fraac does make a valid point. If someone misunderstands something that someone with aspergers had tried to communication; logically it would make sense that the to person with aspergers hasn't communicated effectively. Afterall, aspergers only effects one party in communication with NTs as pointed out. This is interesting food for thought but for me it gets more complicated because if you think about it, intelligence could play an additional factor. For example, someone with a higher IQ understanding someone with aspergers better than normal could take something the way it was originally intended.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:52 am

dianthus, take this test I gave to borderline personality people: http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/534679/results

I suggest that smart bpds will misread you far less than other nonautistics. They're also fun. Worth seeking out.



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