Poll 5: Parents of autistics unhappy with their children

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I am autistic and if I had to pick I'd say that overall I mostly agree with the sentiments expressed in the text 73%  73%  [ 16 ]
I am autistic and if I had to pick I'd say that overall I mostly disagree with the sentiments expressed in the text 14%  14%  [ 3 ]
I am not autistic but I had to pick I'd say that overall I mostly agree with the sentiments expressed in the text 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
I am not autistic and if I had to pick I'd say that overall I mostly disagree with the sentiments expressed in the text 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 22

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14 Dec 2011, 8:38 pm

You want to be a victim? Fine.

How can you have autism and not understand it?



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14 Dec 2011, 8:43 pm

For some autistic children, being in their own world is an important part of their joy during their childhood. It certainly was for me. I didn't spontaneously interact with people until I was 10, and it was only then that there were many negative things for me to process. The sensory stimuli were overwhelming since birth, but being in my own world protected me from that. The people were not noticed, so they could not hurt me. By age 10, I was old enough to have developed a sense of self, who I was, and I had some ability to process these complex social interactions analytically. At a younger age, it was smart of my parents to let me live in my own world, where I was happy, even if they couldn't tell and didn't have the emotional reassurance that they desired.



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14 Dec 2011, 9:29 pm

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Temple Grandin is right. You have to teach these social rules to autistic children. We don't naturally come equipped.


I agree, I remember in her book she said to teach politeness before more complicated social emotional things. I didnt grow up in the 50s but it would have helped to get being socially polite ingrained before I hit a certain age at least we have that go with. Like she said, even today with NT kids. We all know NT kids arent learning manners very well either.


I was taught to be extremely polite and quiet as a child. Everyone commented on how well behaved I was. In a way it backfired because the other kids I went to school with were not so well behaved. They were rough, rude and rowdy, and I had no defenses. Good manners are just one set of social rules, and those rules only work when you are with other well mannered people. I wish I had been taught the "other" set of social rules, the ones that help you look out for yourself more.



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15 Dec 2011, 12:40 am

TheygoMew wrote:
A good video for this is....



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWnDPpfpLmM[/youtube]


That's a great video. I hope that more people around the world watch it and not just us. :)


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15 Dec 2011, 12:48 am

TheygoMew wrote:
"There is no understanding what I am saying to him!"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwZyHpDHLGk[/youtube]

Yes and because of this belief, some parents end up saying some really cruel things thinking the child with autism doesn't know what they are saying. Really, the words are repeating over and over in the child's mind later on which triggers meltdowns when the emotions kick in.

If parents would quit projecting and show that they accept their child, a bond would happen. If the parent actually engaged themself in the same interest the child has while teaching a new lesson and explaining why you do this, why it is beneficial, you'll see a difference. The child needs someone to trust and if you are treating the child like an embarrassment or constantly bombarding the child with projections, that child is picking up on it more than given credit for. Even that area can be overwhelming.

Sometimes these parents who get pissed off that their child cannot be an extension of themselves are actually narcissists.


Also I'd like to add. WHERE ARE THE FATHERS IN THE PICTURE? Notice how it's all placed on the female, the mother? Why are the fathers not helping?


Instead of complaining and bitching about their autistic children, why don't those so-called parents try to connect with them on their level instead of using the approach that they're trying to force into their faces. Those kids need their parents to be treating them with TLC. The only thing that I see in this video is child abuse and a lot of it. Those children would connect if they felt that their parents loved them. The reason that those children are crying and having meltdowns is because those parents keep on saying nasty things to them over and over again. I'd be the same way if my parents kept on saying nasty things to me over and over again. There were times that I've cried between the time that I was born and the day that I've moved out, because my parents did say some nasty things about me when I could hear them, and treated me like crap. I was only able to take so much and than I'd go into my bedroom twice a month to cry my eyes out, because the tough love approach didn't work for me at all. I wouldn't even go shopping with my mum for 4 months when I was 14, because my mum made it very clear that she was embarrassed to be seen in public with me, because of the way that I showed interest when people would talk about my special interests and my appearance. I told her, "You're embarrassed that I'm not like most girls my age, so why would you want to be seen with me in public?"


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15 Dec 2011, 1:20 am

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^ Your child is TWO

nowhere did I say you are a sh***y mom. Why do you expect your child to miraculously change at two? You have to teach this to your kid.

If you are in-fact saying mean comments thinking your two old may not process it, then yeah perhaps I can see why you are offended. If not, this doesn't apply to you.


Yeah, my kid is 2. That's two years of constant interaction and attempting to engage with her. Two years of unconditional acceptance, support, and love. You wanna come over while I dump rocks onto the floor for hours every day, attempting to get her to let me in?

I take huge offense, as both and aspie and a mother, to anything that perpetuates the terrible myth that parents are to blame for their child's inability to connect. The idea that acceptance and love will somehow draw out a child is really archaic and detrimental to both youngsters with ASDs who would, under your concepts, face unrealistic goals (familiar with Floortime/DIR? I suspect not. It's an intensive (and I mean *INTENSIVE*) play-based therapy for entering an ASD kid's world and slowly drawing them out. While it's in line with what you're suggesting- acceptance, getting down and doing whatever the child is doing, it doesn't form magical bonds. It can take years to draw a child out. Some children can never be drawn out. You suggest that, if a kid can't be drawn out and engaged with his/her parents that it's the parents to blame, and, yes, that's a very offensive suggestion.

TheyGoMew never said it's the parents fault for the child's inability to connect. I'm 25 and I still struggle to connect with my mother. I didn't connect with her at all as a child. It wasn't her fault, it's just the way I'm wired.

I don't completely agree with all they said too. I can understand that it really does hurt to have a child that does not connect with you because I am aware of my inability to not connect. Sometimes when I try to get close and my mum doesn't want to connect, that hurt a lot.

I know a lot of mothers of autistic children who love them dearly but still need some time to rant.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being thrown around too (not from you). The kids on that video are from another documentary called Autism x 6 and they did show their father on it. It wasn't a bad documentary too. I suppose I like to see a balance of negativity (the actual symptoms that they were diagnosed for) and positivity (the help they're getting, showing that they are just like normal kids).


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15 Dec 2011, 3:36 am

I am a father of a boy who I guess would be called low functioning. He is 5 and does not talk, and is not toilet trained. He has global developmental delay and measured on the Vineland II assessment his functional level for his age is below the bottom 0.1%.

I would have preferred he not be autistic. My reasons essentially are:
- I am worried that life might be hard or unsatisfying for him when he gets older.
- It's sometimes hard on our family life.

And I have in the past felt 'ripped off' that our life is different and things other people take for granted are not possible for us or are much harder.
But that's about me not him, and I've never felt disappointed in him, it's hard to even understand the question, perhaps the question was meant to be 'are you disappointed your child has Autism?'..

But my son does have many qualities I love. I would list them here, but I don't like to brag 8)



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15 Dec 2011, 11:51 am

hello everyone! some people have taken this slightly the wrong way, the text is discussing some, not all, parents of autistic children and by "do you agree with the sentiments" I mean "Do you think the writer has valid points?"

thank you for your opinions everyone



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15 Dec 2011, 3:44 pm

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Firstly they are upset because previously they knew nothing about autism other than just thinking autism is bad in general due to societies stance on autism and statements about it such as "autism is a serious, disabling and lifelong condition" and so the initial reaction to having an autistic child is very negative.


Since my daughter was born before the onslaught of Autism Speaks advertising, I knew literally nothing about autism prior to her diagnosis, initially of PDD-NOS, then changed to autism. The upside of that is that I didn't have a "worst case scenario" vision from that media exposure. The downside is that I learned everything about autism from a pamphlet (a pamphlet! that's what they give you) and then Google and some books I bought. What Google brings up when you google "autism" and what mainstream books describe is alarming to say the least. So I was worried. A much broader view that has come from getting to know other autistic kids my daughter goes to school with, finding WP, and reading a broader array of books has given me a calmer outlook.

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Adding to this they don't understand that what makes one person happy may not make another happy and so assume that if their child is alone and focusing on an interest or their thoughts that the child is unhappy and suffering just because they themselves would not enjoy being alone, they think that being alone for longer than they could bear is a terrible thing and don't understand that autistics need a good amount of time alone to be happy and healthy. Many parents also think, because they themselves enjoy socialising, that their child is unhappy if it isn't socialising and also unhealthy because the lack of socialisation isn't normal, normal being healthy and abnormal being unhealthy. They are also unhappy that their child wants time alone and shows less interest and affection towards them; their child is not making them as happy as they would like, they don't want to leave their child alone, they want to interact with it and as the rejection hurts them they make the excuse of seeing the rejection as an illness on the child's part (e.g. see 1:47 of this video from autism speaks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwq3LtPWm5k there are many more examples you can find yourself if you wish).


I did get caught in that one for a while. My daughter is quite affectionate with family members so I didn't have the "why won't she let me hug her?" sadness that some parents have. I also understood wanting to play alone since I sometimes played alone as a child. What took me a very long tiome to get was the anxiety over new experiences. I loved new experiences as a child and had actually never met somebody who disliked new experiences. Lots of people dislike new experiences they perceive will be scary, difficult or overwhelming (like starting a new school when you are a kid) but what I had a hard time understanding was how this applied to all new experiences. I get it better now. But it took me a while since it was so counter-intuitive.

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Many may also feel embarrassed/ashamed (although would never admit it) that they have an autistic child as they don't like explaining it to other parents who have the neurotypical children which deep down a part of them may envy, they feel they can't "show off" or brag about their child and in feeling that their child is defective feel defective themselves as their child is an extension of them.

There was a period of highly specific shame that I had about my daughter's public meltdowns. All toddlers have meltdowns so I wasn't ashamed of that. Nobody thinks anything of it. But kids tend to grow out of it as they get older. She did too, and doesn't have public meltdowns anymore. But there was a several-year gap between when most kids grow out of it and when she did and in that gap I felt very judged as a bad mother incapable of teaching her child self control. Sometimes people would actually come up to me and say negative things while I was trying to get her someplace secluded and quiet. Through trial and error I learned her triggers and her upper limit of exposure to things. Now more mature, she knows her own triggers and will tell me when she needs to leave. But the years before that I was pretty ashamed on certain ocassions.


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They also blame everything that goes wrong with their child on autism rather than accepting that everyone has problems and suffers at various stages of their life as part of "the human condition", autistics may suffer in different ways at times but overall may not be suffering any more than the average person.

This is a particularly difficult one. I am having a very hard time sorting out what is autism and what is adolescence. Talking to friends with NT adolescents helps with that.


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I believe some parents may also worry (and I include subconsciously) that that their child may not breed or would have "unhealthy" offspring if they did (in relation to the first point of autism being seen as bad), and in this belief have hidden feelings that autism has robbed them of their ideal lineage.
Their child isn't the child they wanted and they feel like autism has robbed them of their ideal child which they would be proud of, which would show them affection and can carry on their ideal lineage. And so because of these reasons they take out their frustration at not having their ideal child on the thing they feel robbed them of it.

This I don't worry about. I think it's because my husband and I both made a committment before she was even conceived that we would let our future kids just be who they are. We were rebelling against the hyper-parenting philosophy which is the norm these days and trying to go back to the looser 70's "Free To Be You and Me" philosophy. Parents these days are under a lot of social pressure to have high-achiever uber-kids. It's a lot more pressure than my own parents were under. Since we consciously rebelled against that prior to her birth, I think that helped a lot with not being unduly upset she won't be class president.

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In reality however I think it's unfair for parents to want a certain child to make them happy and give them the lineage and whatever else they want from the child, they should accept their child for who they are and not assume that their child is suffering, even if they are because they didn't get what they wanted from their child, ultimately if their child is happy (and just because an autistic person isn't smiling or laughing does not mean that they are sad) that should be all that matters and they should be trying to understand and work with their child to make this happen, rather than working against the child and trying to force it to be more normal. It's just selfish to have expectations for another life form which didn't even ask to be brought into this world. I feel that many (and it's important to remember that I'm not talking about all) parents of autistic children would take their child's autism away even if they knew that their child would not be any happier for this, just because they would be happier.


I absolutely agree. This is what my husband and I were rebelling against before she was ever born. It is a lot of pressure on a child, whether they have autism or not. Kids crack under these sorts of parental expectations. I had a college friend that cracked because of what her dad expected and she could not deliver. Thus I don't attempt to make my daughter NT. She would crack. Lots of people here post about how they cracked after attempting that.

So why do any parents do this to their autistic kids? There is social pressure, but the strongest pressure of all is not coming from peers. It's coming from health professionals. It's easy enough to resist pressure from other parents. Just label yourself an iconoclast. I'd already done that years prior to her birth. Resisting pressure from health professionals is a lot harder. My first act of resistance came when I refused the Downs Syndrome test when I was pregnant on the grounds that I had no intention of aborting a Downs baby (I don't have a Downs baby, but I didn't know that then). My OB was very insistent and told me how very, very, very, very difficult it was to raise a Downs child and I should reconsider. I stood my ground, paving the way for standing my ground at other times with other profesionals recommending drugs or therapies I didn't agree with. But this was only after I googled myself blind (and found WP in the process of googling) to make sure I wasn't being reckless.

I think a lot of parents have been convinced by doctors even more than by Autism Speaks that they are bad parents if they don't try whatever therapy the doctor is advising.

And then there are parents who would just like a reprieve from having to clean feces off the wall. Having to do that too many times will wear away a parents autism acceptance. I haven't had to do that. It's a lot easier to accept idiosyncratic play than some other things.