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20 Dec 2011, 3:42 pm

I'm not stopping my sugar. I am already vegetarian and have been told I have lactose intolerance so my diet is restricted enough anyway. There is actually more evidence to suggest that behavioural problems/mood swings can be caused by artificial sweeteners like aspartame than sugar. God help me if I ever become a diabetic!


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20 Dec 2011, 4:00 pm

Well done Sylvia for coming in and giving this thread the biology it desperately needed. Though proteins being hydrolysed into glucose is news to me, seeing as they are made of amino acids.

OP- don't use preachy websites or diet books as sources, look at the science. Glucose is absolutely vital for bodily function.

Even if you don't eat any sugar, any long-chain carbohydrates you eat will be broken down into sugars. You are more likely to digest all the sugar you need if you have monosaccarides (e.g. glucose) or disaccarides (e.g. maltose) than if you have starch or glycerol though.



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20 Dec 2011, 5:57 pm

Once upon a time I took nutrition in college as part of pre-nursing requirements. Protein does break down into glucose but the metabolites can be hard on the body. In starvation situations, or too restricted a diet, the body will go so far as to break down muscle mass for energy requirements.

There is a lot of alarmist information out there regarding diets. Dairy is poison. Soy is poison. Sugar is poison. If you follow every bit of it all I have no idea what you end up actually eating. Very restricted diets lead to vitamin and mineral deficiencies. That will affect the body far more negatively than a bit of sugar.

The paleo diet is intriguing simply because it is a species specific diet. Humans are omnivores. I have nothing against vegetarianism other than it's too easy to neglect protein balance, and also B12 is found mostly in meat. Very low fat diets lack essential fatty acids which are definitely necessary for such things as myelin sheathes in neurons.

Check out the science carefully then make your own decisions. Or at the very least eat a good variety of real food.


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20 Dec 2011, 6:16 pm

Is this a bad time to mention CaPieKie and my quest to bake it, a cookie inside a pie inside a cake? Yum.



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20 Dec 2011, 6:19 pm

That sounds interesting, do you have a recipe? Does it involve chocolate? Yum.


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21 Dec 2011, 6:41 pm

I quit drinking soda yrs. ago. Also poptarts make me crazy :p



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21 Dec 2011, 9:43 pm

I thought it was useful to count carbs, but found that I eventually had to make up for the difference in calories in other ways. When I was on Atkins, I didn't start consuming obscene amounts of fat and protein, but just enough. For whatever reason, I felt like I had more good days.

Probiotic foods seemed to act even quicker, in getting rid of bloat and appetite swings, but I feel that products of fermentation are legitimately unusual, and even dangerous when poorly prepared. Mine didn't turn out well, on the first few tries.

I believe that sleep has a vital effect on metabolism, and vice versa. It has been a conscious struggle for me, at times, but it helps everything.

I didn't have any moral quandaries over the fake stuff, but it never quite goes down normally. I get mildly sick if I push my luck. I can't imagine that heavy consumption could possibly be healthy.



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22 Dec 2011, 1:04 am

TheWingman wrote:
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When I begun to diet I didn't have sugar by accident and I ended up almost fainting.

Reduce sugar but do not stop. I think you need about 30mg of sugar a day. Some sugar is good, like the one in fruit. Refined sugar is bad but a tiny tiny is ok.

This type of post is very dangerous. It's bad enough we get told no gluten and casein. Now you want to take sugar away from us?

I can't even have rich foods or too much salt and that's for epilepsy, so I already reduce my sugar intake.

I doubt you can fix autism through diet alone. If you can was it really autism to begin with?


You are right saying that not all sugar are bad, but most of them are and most people have too mutch of them. What I say in my post is that why should google and autism.

Furthermore I think think autism can not be fixed because autism is a gift if you learn how to live with it. Still I'm confident that sugar damgae the brain, I read enough ressources about that.

You said you did a diet, Are you sure you faited because of lack of sugar? If yes, it would not even be a reaon to think that sugar is good, withfrowal sympoms with the hardest drugs can be very dangerous, so it can be for sugar.

Oh Jesus Christ...Should I even bother?

No, I will not.


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22 Dec 2011, 8:00 am

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Once upon a time I took nutrition in college as part of pre-nursing requirements. Protein does break down into glucose but the metabolites can be hard on the body. In starvation situations, or too restricted a diet, the body will go so far as to break down muscle mass for energy requirements.

There is a lot of alarmist information out there regarding diets. Dairy is poison. Soy is poison. Sugar is poison. If you follow every bit of it all I have no idea what you end up actually eating. Very restricted diets lead to vitamin and mineral deficiencies. That will affect the body far more negatively than a bit of sugar.

The paleo diet is intriguing simply because it is a species specific diet. Humans are omnivores. I have nothing against vegetarianism other than it's too easy to neglect protein balance, and also B12 is found mostly in meat. Very low fat diets lack essential fatty acids which are definitely necessary for such things as myelin sheathes in neurons.

Check out the science carefully then make your own decisions. Or at the very least eat a good variety of real food.


I ignore the alarmist diets on the most part. I chose to be vegetarian for morality reasons. Initially my diet was terrible, but I have managed to replace most of the missing vitimins and minerals by eating other non-meat things. Unfortunately I was only informed of my dairy intolerance recently. For a number of years I carried on eating Goat cheese thinking it did not affect me, but apparently it is what makes my gut bloat up :(

Luckily there are also a lot of 'fake meats' on the market which make up for the lost proteins.

I miss pizza :cry:


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22 Dec 2011, 9:25 am

There are some lovely vegetarian pizzas with soy cheeses. Kind of odd tasting, but you might get used to it. Vegetarian diets are fine as long as you watch the protein balance and B12. Nutritional yeast is one of the few non-meat sources of B12 that I know. I hear it has a cheesy taste so maybe it would go well on pizza.


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22 Dec 2011, 9:51 am

My father was in the health education industry for some time, so I know a little bit of this stuff. If you don't drink soda regularly, limit foods that are high in processed sugar to treats, and make sure you eat plenty of all the needed foods and stuff you should be fine, there is no reason to go on a diet created by fascist unless you have some actual medical problems that require a special diet, and autism isn't one of those.


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22 Dec 2011, 11:06 am

pensieve wrote:
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When I begun to diet I didn't have sugar by accident and I ended up almost fainting.

Reduce sugar but do not stop. I think you need about 30mg of sugar a day. Some sugar is good, like the one in fruit. Refined sugar is bad but a tiny tiny is ok.

This type of post is very dangerous. It's bad enough we get told no gluten and casein. Now you want to take sugar away from us?

I can't even have rich foods or too much salt and that's for epilepsy, so I already reduce my sugar intake.

I doubt you can fix autism through diet alone. If you can was it really autism to begin with?


You are right saying that not all sugar are bad, but most of them are and most people have too mutch of them. What I say in my post is that why should google and autism.

Furthermore I think think autism can not be fixed because autism is a gift if you learn how to live with it. Still I'm confident that sugar damgae the brain, I read enough ressources about that.

You said you did a diet, Are you sure you faited because of lack of sugar? If yes, it would not even be a reaon to think that sugar is good, withfrowal sympoms with the hardest drugs can be very dangerous, so it can be for sugar.

Oh Jesus Christ...Should I even bother?

No, I will not.


And why not? Looks like you actually don't have anything to answer



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22 Dec 2011, 2:40 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Though proteins being hydrolysed into glucose is news to me, seeing as they are made of amino acids.

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The amino acids are deaminated. That leaves ammonia (which then turns into urea and gets peed out) and carbon, hydrogen and oxygen which can be arranged into glucose.



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22 Dec 2011, 3:06 pm

WingMan, I answered you because I thought this might be a serious thing on your part. Now you're degenerating into attacks on someone who doesn't deserve it. Come on, get a grip. Maybe you need a candy bar.


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22 Dec 2011, 3:44 pm

SylviaLynn wrote:

There is a lot of alarmist information out there regarding diets. Dairy is poison. Soy is poison. Sugar is poison. If you follow every bit of it all I have no idea what you end up actually eating.

Carbohydrates are poison!

The worrying part is that Atkins had millions of women believing that because they lost a load of weight in the first week of the diet.



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22 Dec 2011, 4:12 pm

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