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02 Jan 2012, 9:22 pm

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I immediately know when I have spent too much time on my computer. I find myself trying to press Ctrl z every time I make a mistake in hand written work!


I do that too. :lol:



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02 Jan 2012, 10:52 pm

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It's like people blaming the fast-food industry for childhood obesity, when it's the kids themselves who are stuffing their fat faces and filling their fat bellies with all that fat-laden food. It's lame excuse to abdicate personal responsibility for one's own actions by blaming anything other than one's own self.
Yes, but at the same time there are financial incentives for global food processing companies with mega funded lobbying power to get as many people as possible to eat their unhealthy food. They have just recently persuaded congress to adopt pizza as one of the five a day vegetables presumably because it has a smear of tomato puree on it. So should children now eat five pizza's a day? No, but why did the food companies lobby to have it classed as a vegetable? So that people could be fooled into thinking that pizza was a healthy eating option, and children are the easiest people to fool. Once a child begins to eat unhealthily it sets them on a course of struggling with their health all their life. So I would say that food processing companies are to blame actually and they should have their powers curtailed.

Unless the food processing companies are literally stuffing people's faces with their processed food against those people's choice, then I still say that each individual is personally responsible for his or her own eating habits.

By the same token, just because technology is aggressively marketed, that does not mean that anyone has to buy it or even use it, as the purchase or use (or both) is entirely up to the individual.



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03 Jan 2012, 4:25 am

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It's lame excuse to abdicate personal responsibility for one's own actions by blaming anything other than one's own self.


Your an ex or current G-man aint you Fnord? still on the payroll?

I kinda like the 'harden the f up you bunch of soft cocks" rhetoric but maybe you should leave parenting, health and social concerns to women and those with a heart.

The personal responsibility mantra is very convenient for those in charge....

In truth, depression from modern living is as common as all heck, and blaming the individual for living like he is conditioned to do so, is just another blow for the little guy. Thanks for your kind understanding of the issue



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03 Jan 2012, 4:31 am

Surfman wrote:
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It's lame excuse to abdicate personal responsibility for one's own actions by blaming anything other than one's own self.


Your an ex or current G-man aint you Fnord? still on the payroll?

I kinda like the 'harden the f up you bunch of soft cocks" rhetoric but maybe you should leave parenting, health and social concerns to women and those with a heart.

The personal responsibility mantra is very convenient for those in charge....

In truth, depression from modern living is as common as all heck, and blaming the individual for living like he is conditioned to do so, is just another blow for the little guy. Thanks for your kind understanding of the issue


Sorry to potentially poke my nose where it isn't welcome, but I think Fnord is right on this one. It's common knowledge that what's inside fast food is unhealthy, and likewise, it's common sense that texting while driving is dangerous. As everyone knows the risks to these things, it is fully their responsibility if they choose to do them anyway, even more so if they're feeding bad food to their children then blaming the guys who sold it to them.



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03 Jan 2012, 4:58 am

Asp-Z wrote:
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It's lame excuse to abdicate personal responsibility for one's own actions by blaming anything other than one's own self.


Your an ex or current G-man aint you Fnord? still on the payroll?

I kinda like the 'harden the f up you bunch of soft cocks" rhetoric but maybe you should leave parenting, health and social concerns to women and those with a heart.

The personal responsibility mantra is very convenient for those in charge....

In truth, depression from modern living is as common as all heck, and blaming the individual for living like he is conditioned to do so, is just another blow for the little guy. Thanks for your kind understanding of the issue


Sorry to potentially poke my nose where it isn't welcome, but I think Fnord is right on this one. It's common knowledge that what's inside fast food is unhealthy, and likewise, it's common sense that texting while driving is dangerous. As everyone knows the risks to these things, it is fully their responsibility if they choose to do them anyway, even more so if they're feeding bad food to their children then blaming the guys who sold it to them.


What about no choices like public schooling, health, entertainment and food supplies??

Only those who go bush and retreat to the country and home schooling are close to immune from societal health deterioration...



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03 Jan 2012, 5:11 am

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What about no choices like public schooling, health, entertainment and food supplies??

Only those who go bush and retreat to the country and home schooling are close to immune from societal health deterioration...


If you don't like public schooling, go to another public school. If you have all of them, save up and take your kid to a private one.

Don't you have a choice of healthcare companies in America? I'm quite sure you do.

You can always chose your entertainment. If you don't like something, you are not obliged to watch or listen to it, are you?

You can buy food from a variety of places, there's not only one supplier.

I'm confused about what it is you're trying to say when all the things you've listed have just as much choice as anything else.



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03 Jan 2012, 5:25 am

My humble apologies for daring to consider the king has influence on his people

we are truly masters of our own destiny's



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03 Jan 2012, 5:29 am

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My humble apologies for daring to consider the king has influence on his people

we are truly masters of our own destiny's


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03 Jan 2012, 6:13 am

Asp-Z wrote:
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What about no choices like public schooling, health, entertainment and food supplies??

Only those who go bush and retreat to the country and home schooling are close to immune from societal health deterioration...


If you don't like public schooling, go to another public school. If you have all of them, save up and take your kid to a private one.

Don't you have a choice of healthcare companies in America? I'm quite sure you do.

You can always chose your entertainment. If you don't like something, you are not obliged to watch or listen to it, are you?

You can buy food from a variety of places, there's not only one supplier.

I'm confused about what it is you're trying to say when all the things you've listed have just as much choice as anything else.


Ok and what if all the public schools in the area suck and the parent cannot afford private school?

I personally might have a choice of healthcare companies if I had a reliable source of income, but as it stands now I have no access to any healthcare companies or even medicaid so its not hard for me to belive that it may be hard for one to get healthcare coverage in the U.S. Also having a mental condition like Aspergers or even depression just makes you a liability for the insurance company so they can deny you for having a pre-existing condition.

I agree that everyone can choose their own entertainment, there is no excuse for listening to the garbage on the radio or MTV other than if you where reduced from human to a brain dead consumer of whatever crap you're fed.

Sure there are different places to buy food but depending on ones transportation, where they live and probably their level of income plays a role in determining where they can go for food.


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03 Jan 2012, 9:54 am

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Your an ex or current G-man aint you Fnord? still on the payroll?

Former Navy - a veteran. I assume that you are not.

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I kinda like the 'harden the f up you bunch of soft cocks" rhetoric but maybe you should leave parenting, health and social concerns to women and those with a heart.

All of my children are healthy, happy, employed, and have no police records. I think I do well as a parent.

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The personal responsibility mantra is very convenient for those in charge ...

How do you think those of us in charge got that way? Hint: It wasn't by blaming others ... unless, of course, they actually screwed up.

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In truth, depression from modern living is as common as all heck...

Then maybe the cure is to go back to more primitive times.

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... and blaming the individual for living like he is conditioned to do so, is just another blow for the little guy.

That's loser talk. Abdication of accountability and responsibility for one's self is the problem - blaming others is only an excuse. Of course, some people are simply incapable of being responsible for themselves, and for them there is the Internet, the telly, and video games in their mommas' basements.

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Thanks for your kind understanding of the issue

You're welcome, any time!



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03 Jan 2012, 1:15 pm

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You people are confusing the tools with their users. For example, a gun is harmless if it is not used - leave guns alone and they won't be used to kill anyone. Video games have no relationship to obesity if they are not played. Just because people are stupid enough to use a cell phone while driving does not mean that cell phones (or cars) should be banned. Smart phones have done nothing to society that society has not wanted done to it. If you don't like technology, then don't effing use it!
OK I'll be more clear I hate people who are consumed to the point that they expect perfection and efficiency out of everything but they don't give a crap about other people. I'm mad at the vast majority and also what they do with technology. Where I work people are constantly on cellphones and they are so rude about it that it's unbelievable. Not only that but because everything has to be so fast pace for everyone else I get in trouble for not being able to keep up. So yeah when I try to talk to someone about something important and they're on a phone with a friend I want to grab it and smash it as hard as I possibly can. Then I want to slap them upside the head and ask them if me keeping my job is just as important as their meaningless conversation. I dropped a friend recently because she always pulls out her phone when ever I'm with her. I don't even know why she wants to bother with me. She doesn't actually care if I'm in the same room as her. I obviously have a lot of anxiety towards cellphones. As far as tech goes I just really hate people using those the way they do. The combination of technology and a stereotypically conforming society is bad news but that's just my personal opinion.

So, you seem to have more of an issue with being ignored than with technology. Would it matter if a person chose to pay more attention to the book or magazine they were reading? How about is they were paying more attention to their knitting or their music lessons - would you hate them for that too?


Have you ever been invited out to coffee or drinks? Only to watch the person who invited you and said they missed you to be talking to someone else the entire time your with them. I think you're missing my point entirely.



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You people are confusing the tools with their users. For example, a gun is harmless if it is not used - leave guns alone and they won't be used to kill anyone. Video games have no relationship to obesity if they are not played. Just because people are stupid enough to use a cell phone while driving does not mean that cell phones (or cars) should be banned. Smart phones have done nothing to society that society has not wanted done to it. If you don't like technology, then don't effing use it!
OK I'll be more clear I hate people who are consumed to the point that they expect perfection and efficiency out of everything but they don't give a crap about other people. I'm mad at the vast majority and also what they do with technology. Where I work people are constantly on cellphones and they are so rude about it that it's unbelievable. Not only that but because everything has to be so fast pace for everyone else I get in trouble for not being able to keep up. So yeah when I try to talk to someone about something important and they're on a phone with a friend I want to grab it and smash it as hard as I possibly can. Then I want to slap them upside the head and ask them if me keeping my job is just as important as their meaningless conversation. I dropped a friend recently because she always pulls out her phone when ever I'm with her. I don't even know why she wants to bother with me. She doesn't actually care if I'm in the same room as her. I obviously have a lot of anxiety towards cellphones. As far as tech goes I just really hate people using those the way they do. The combination of technology and a stereotypically conforming society is bad news but that's just my personal opinion.
So, you seem to have more of an issue with being ignored than with technology. Would it matter if a person chose to pay more attention to the book or magazine they were reading? How about is they were paying more attention to their knitting or their music lessons - would you hate them for that too?
Have you ever been invited out to coffee or drinks? Only to watch the person who invited you and said they missed you to be talking to someone else the entire time your with them. I think you're missing my point entirely.

I'm not missing the point; I just do not see it as a problem. When my "date" does that to me, I excuse myself, find another table (or restaurant) and enjoy my coffee alone ("Oh, I'm sorry ... I thought you wanted to have a private conversation ..."). They either never invite me out again, or they get the hint right away.

Now, if I could only get the jerk at the next table to stop shouting into his or her phone...



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03 Jan 2012, 1:54 pm

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Of course, some people are simply incapable of being responsible for themselves, and for them there is the Internet, the telly, and video games in their mommas' basements.


When your life is a series of humiliations and failings in society, that responsibility you mention

should be shared by 'those responsible', not the aspie child victim....
I think you are being heartless

Blaming autistic children and adults for a lack of responsibility, when central governance is designed to harm them rather than help....

Its no wonder we retreat to the internet...all our problems are our own fault! Even if your 14 years old!!

reap what you sow



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Have you ever been invited out to coffee or drinks? Only to watch the person who invited you and said they missed you to be talking to someone else the entire time your with them. I think you're missing my point entirely.

I'm not missing the point; I just do not see it as a problem. When my "date" does that to me, I excuse myself, find another table (or restaurant) and enjoy my coffee alone ("Oh, I'm sorry ... I thought you wanted to have a private conversation ..."). They either never invite me out again, or they get the hint right away.


I like that solution very much. I tell a guy it's rude and if he doesn't put it away, I'm going to leave. If he argues, I leave and give a vague excuse. I have better things to do than wait for people.



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Have you ever been invited out to coffee or drinks? Only to watch the person who invited you and said they missed you to be talking to someone else the entire time your with them. I think you're missing my point entirely.

I'm not missing the point; I just do not see it as a problem. When my "date" does that to me, I excuse myself, find another table (or restaurant) and enjoy my coffee alone ("Oh, I'm sorry ... I thought you wanted to have a private conversation ..."). They either never invite me out again, or they get the hint right away.


I like that solution very much. I tell a guy it's rude and if he doesn't put it away, I'm going to leave. If he argues, I leave and give a vague excuse. I have better things to do than wait for people.


I just want to be nice to people even though I know they aren't very nice to me, I did stop talking to that person I just find it such a shame I'd even have to.