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17 Jan 2012, 4:30 pm

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I feel like this a lot. It appears to me often that NTs are less aware of the nature of the universe around them, opting for some weird sort of filtered, symbolic representation of reality that fits their personal beliefs most comfortably. It seems all but impossible to convince an NT person they are wrong even when all the facts point to it, whereas people with ASD seem much more able to modify their own understanding.


From having to work with the general public at my job I have found this to be quite true. Many (I'm not going to say all) of them seem extremely self centered and oblivious to the rest of the world. It's all about "them" and I have always found this so mind boggling that people can't seem to see the repercussions of their behavior all around them.


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17 Jan 2012, 4:44 pm

I see why you think that but I don't think it applies to all the NTs in general. I think people who refuse to believe that they are wrong are everywhere whether they're NT or not. It's do with people's personalities, I guess.



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17 Jan 2012, 4:55 pm

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I see why you think that but I don't think it applies to all the NTs in general. I think people who refuse to believe that they are wrong are everywhere whether they're NT or not. It's do with people's personalities, I guess.


I probably put too much emphasis on the refusal to accept incorrectness. It was meant to be an example, I guess. What I am really getting at is that NT people to me appear not to absorb information as it exists in reality, but filter it through so many different filters, and warp it until it fits whatever they already think/want to believe. It is like they live in a box, which fascinates me because supposedly I am in my own world.



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17 Jan 2012, 4:59 pm

camelCase wrote:
Candles15 wrote:
I see why you think that but I don't think it applies to all the NTs in general. I think people who refuse to believe that they are wrong are everywhere whether they're NT or not. It's do with people's personalities, I guess.


I probably put too much emphasis on the refusal to accept incorrectness. It was meant to be an example, I guess. What I am really getting at is that NT people to me appear not to absorb information as it exists in reality, but filter it through so many different filters, and warp it until it fits whatever they already think/want to believe. It is like they live in a box, which fascinates me because supposedly I am in my own world.


We are all in our own world. No two people experience life in exactly the same way. We all have our biases and filters.


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17 Jan 2012, 5:01 pm

camelCase wrote:
I feel like this a lot. It appears to me often that NTs are less aware of the nature of the universe around them, opting for some weird sort of filtered, symbolic representation of reality that fits their personal beliefs most comfortably. It seems all but impossible to convince an NT person they are wrong even when all the facts point to it, whereas people with ASD seem much more able to modify their own understanding.


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I feel like this a lot. It appears to me often that NTs are less aware of the nature of the universe around them, opting for some weird sort of filtered, symbolic representation of reality that fits their personal beliefs most comfortably


Culture.
I've noticed a general inability to synthesise what they know. The information is just inside of them by rote. There is a lack in understanding because of a want in insight. There isn't a 'check' to see if it true or valid. Much of it is a bias based on 'the respected all pervasive view' or just the opinion of some linear talent that another possesses. I see the later quite often on other boards-- " I agree with ______" and it's just an opinion based distinction.

But why the lack in interest? Culture? Probable. There is that universal social contract that people abide by, or adhere to the ethics of any group-- subconsciously..



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17 Jan 2012, 5:08 pm

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camelCase wrote:
I feel like this a lot. It appears to me often that NTs are less aware of the nature of the universe around them, opting for some weird sort of filtered, symbolic representation of reality that fits their personal beliefs most comfortably. It seems all but impossible to convince an NT person they are wrong even when all the facts point to it, whereas people with ASD seem much more able to modify their own understanding.


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I feel like this a lot. It appears to me often that NTs are less aware of the nature of the universe around them, opting for some weird sort of filtered, symbolic representation of reality that fits their personal beliefs most comfortably


Culture.
I've noticed a general inability to synthesise what they know. The information is just inside of them by rote. There is a lack in understanding because of a want in insight. There isn't a 'check' to see if it true or valid. Much of it is a bias based on 'the respected all pervasive view' or just the opinion of some linear talent that another possesses. I see the later quite often on other boards-- " I agree with ______" and it's just an opinion based distinction.

But why the lack in interest? Culture? Probable. There is that universal social contract that people abide by, or adhere to the ethics of any group-- subconsciously..


I think I get what you are saying. Along these lines, I think part of why I am so bad at gauging the intelligence of other people is because I do not realize they have not come to their conclusions via thought, or reason, or research, but are merely repeating things they heard that are "common knowledge." How is it that so many do not realize that "common knowledge" is so often proven to be absolute quackery once science or reason are applied? What chemical or part of the brain is responsible for this bizarre sort of faith? It certainly is not inherent to me.



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17 Jan 2012, 5:14 pm

In a few weeks I bet a thread is going to come up called ''are Aspie people less conscious?'' or something.


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17 Jan 2012, 5:14 pm

camelCase wrote:
Candles15 wrote:
I see why you think that but I don't think it applies to all the NTs in general. I think people who refuse to believe that they are wrong are everywhere whether they're NT or not. It's do with people's personalities, I guess.


I probably put too much emphasis on the refusal to accept incorrectness. It was meant to be an example, I guess. What I am really getting at is that NT people to me appear not to absorb information as it exists in reality, but filter it through so many different filters, and warp it until it fits whatever they already think/want to believe. It is like they live in a box, which fascinates me because supposedly I am in my own world.


I understand what you mean now. It's like believing what you want to believe whether you're right or not.. A bit like believing in God, I guess. I was reading this blog by an atheist and he was saying How a person might pray and feel that God responded as a result of their praying which would be the evidence for God's existence but then If the person praying feels no respond, they believe that God works in mysterious ways.
I think I'm guilty of doing this (I usually accept when I'm wrong though) and actually, I do see a link now..



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17 Jan 2012, 5:21 pm

Susceptibility to cultural programming. There's a difference between understanding culture and believing it. Aspies don't fare well when they don't understand it and NT's don't fare well when they believe it.
Critical and individual thinking is also difficult, so if you trust society to do your thinking for you then you can relax. I personally think that's a sad state of affairs to be in.



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17 Jan 2012, 5:28 pm

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Susceptibility to cultural programming. There's a difference between understanding culture and believing it. Aspies don't fare well when they don't understand it and NT's don't fare well when they believe it.
Critical and individual thinking is also difficult, so if you trust society to do your thinking for you then you can relax. I personally think that's a sad state of affairs to be in.


I think you hit the nail on the head with "critical thinking." I remember taking a college English class which was mostly centered around thinking critically/thinking for yourself, and I was astonished at how new and bizarre it seemed to the other students when their beliefs were challenged strategically by the professor (brilliant, awesome, open-minded guy - one of the best I've had).



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17 Jan 2012, 5:28 pm

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camelCase wrote:
Candles15 wrote:
I see why you think that but I don't think it applies to all the NTs in general. I think people who refuse to believe that they are wrong are everywhere whether they're NT or not. It's do with people's personalities, I guess.


I probably put too much emphasis on the refusal to accept incorrectness. It was meant to be an example, I guess. What I am really getting at is that NT people to me appear not to absorb information as it exists in reality, but filter it through so many different filters, and warp it until it fits whatever they already think/want to believe. It is like they live in a box, which fascinates me because supposedly I am in my own world.


I understand what you mean now. It's like believing what you want to believe whether you're right or not.. A bit like believing in God, I guess. I was reading this blog by an atheist and he was saying How a person might pray and feel that God responded as a result of their praying which would be the evidence for God's existence but then If the person praying feels no respond, they believe that God works in mysterious ways.
I think I'm guilty of doing this (I usually accept when I'm wrong though) and actually, I do see a link now..


Yes, I would say social confirmation bias is highly related/connected.