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Do you have red hair in your family?
I have red hair 14%  14%  [ 15 ]
Two or more first degree relatives (parents, children or siblings) have red hair, but not me 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
One first degree relative has red hair, but not me 7%  7%  [ 8 ]
Two of more second degree (uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, grandparents, grandchildren, half-siblings) have red hair, but not me or any first degree relatives 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
One second degree relative has red hair, but me or any first degree relatives 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
Two or more third degree relatives (great-parents, great-grandchildren, first cousins) have red hair, but not me or any first or second degree relatives 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
One third-degree relative has red hair, but not me or any first or second degree relatives 6%  6%  [ 7 ]
Two or more relatives not listed above have red hair but not anyone else in my family 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
One relative not listed above has red hair but anyone else in my family 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I do not know of any red hair in my family 50%  50%  [ 54 ]
Results please............ 7%  7%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 109

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14 Mar 2012, 4:19 am

No. There is black hair, blonde hair and brown hair. I have never seen red hair in my family.



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14 Mar 2012, 7:03 am

I don't have red hair, but my dad used to (it's sort of turned into a brown-ish colour now). I don't have red hair.

But I don't think it's true that red hair is common in Autistics. That is a myth what people seem to believe. Red hair is the least common colour hair in the general population, but some people have red hair no matter what neurology. I've met about 9 or 10 people with red hair in my life, and they aren't Autistics. And I've met about 3 Aspies now, and I've seen documentaries with Aspies and Autistics in, and none of them had red hair. If it were that common (common enough to speak of), then at least one would of have red hair, otherwise it is not common or known to be common.

I have met more women with blonde hair then I have men, but that doesn't mean to say blonde hair is more common in women.


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14 Mar 2012, 9:43 pm

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I've met about 9 or 10 people with red hair in my life, and they aren't Autistics. And I've met about 3 Aspies now, and I've seen documentaries with Aspies and Autistics in, and none of them had red hair. If it were that common (common enough to speak of), then at least one would of have red hair, otherwise it is not common or known to be common.

Yeah, that sounds like a totally scientific way to tell.
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I have met more women with blonde hair then I have men, but that doesn't mean to say blonde hair is more common in women.

No, it means more women bleach their hair.


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14 Mar 2012, 10:46 pm

4 second degree redheads here :P


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14 Mar 2012, 10:49 pm

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I've met about 9 or 10 people with red hair in my life, and they aren't Autistics. And I've met about 3 Aspies now, and I've seen documentaries with Aspies and Autistics in, and none of them had red hair. If it were that common (common enough to speak of), then at least one would of have red hair, otherwise it is not common or known to be common.


Yeah, that sounds like a totally scientific way to tell.

lol IKR?

This is like saying because all white people don't have blue eyes it's not a predominantly caucasian trait.


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14 Mar 2012, 11:01 pm

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This right here: http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm proposes that red hair is more common among people with autism. I have heard somewhere else on this site that if a person with autism doesn't have red hair, they probably carry the red gene but it's not being expressed. I don't actually believe that, but I am going to test it out.


This poll strikes me as missrepresentative. You may find some sort of correlation among Caucasian people only, but if you're polling all people on a whole, the vast majority of equally-sampled people worldwide will never have anyone in their families with red hair, autistic or not.


That's the whole point.

AS is more common among white people anyway. That's not to say people of other ethnicities don't have genes inherited from the Caucasian profile.

Like red hair, it's a purely caucasian gene, yet you see it in biracial (black and white) children.

This means that the African American parent carried the gene, it's not possible to have a redhead child otherwise.

You also see very random red hair among other ethnicities, believe it or not.

White people are going to be far more likely to have red hair or have it in their family but many people of other races carry the gene.


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15 Mar 2012, 12:24 am

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That's the whole point.

AS is more common among white people anyway. That's not to say people of other ethnicities don't have genes inherited from the Caucasian profile.

Like red hair, it's a purely caucasian gene, yet you see it in biracial (black and white) children.

That's odd. Most things I read say that autism is fairly evenly distributed among races. Even if these findings are wrong and it is more common among Caucasian people, that seems like a far cry from "AS is a purely Caucasian gene." Perhaps you subscribe to different views on this though. There seem to be many that do. This would explain our disagreement.

Also, (and not to derail the topic as I fear I might) didn't sequencing the neanderthal genome show that people of pure African descent have no neanderthal lineage? I don't understand how the neanderthal AS hypothesis works in that case, since children in Africa have similar rates for Autism. This is a genuine query of mine. Please PM me with an explanation if you have the time, because I've never really understood and I am curious.



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15 Mar 2012, 1:29 pm

My first cousin has red hair but then again, I heard gossip that she may not even be the real daughter of my uncle (her mother isn't related to us, she just married my mom's brother). My other cousin, whose mom is my mom's first cousin, has her hair a bit reddish.



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15 Mar 2012, 1:47 pm

Fern wrote:
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That's the whole point.

AS is more common among white people anyway. That's not to say people of other ethnicities don't have genes inherited from the Caucasian profile.

Like red hair, it's a purely caucasian gene, yet you see it in biracial (black and white) children.

That's odd. Most things I read say that autism is fairly evenly distributed among races. Even if these findings are wrong and it is more common among Caucasian people, that seems like a far cry from "AS is a purely Caucasian gene." Perhaps you subscribe to different views on this though. There seem to be many that do. This would explain our disagreement.

Also, (and not to derail the topic as I fear I might) didn't sequencing the neanderthal genome show that people of pure African descent have no neanderthal lineage? I don't understand how the neanderthal AS hypothesis works in that case, since children in Africa have similar rates for Autism. This is a genuine query of mine. Please PM me with an explanation if you have the time, because I've never really understood and I am curious.


No, I meant that red hair is a purely caucasian gene. Autism is so complicated but it is more common among Caucasians as far as I know. Or was? I keep hearing different things I'm getting confused now.

But the races (as we know them) have been mixing for thousands of years. There were Roman soldiers that invaded China, now you see some completely random Chinese redheads(VERY rare but it happens).

I really wouldn't be surprised if some breeding between Neanderthals and Africans had occurred. Not a lot, but some,. This whole Neandethal Theory is far from being completely understood but I'm inclined to believe that even if a small amount of interbreeding had taken place autism might have been introduced into their genome, even by interbreeding with Homo Sapien Caucasians who had some Neanderthal lineage.

I know much of Africa is a continent where the majority of people appear to be undilluted, Asia as well but it's very common for people to carry genes from interbreeding and show no signs of them whatsoever. At a certain point, anything that was "purely Caucasian" at one point should be considered a shared trait IMO.


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15 Mar 2012, 8:24 pm

I have some redheads in my extended family. And for a time, my sister was a redhead. But then, strangely enough, her hair fell out, and then grew back in brown. My own hair is, and has always been, dark brown. I happen to have dyscalculia , as a comorbid, by the way. And interestingly, I've likewise read that it's theorised that there might be a connection between redheadedness, and dyscalculia.



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15 Mar 2012, 9:08 pm

My mom has black hair.

My sister and I both have brown hair.


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15 Mar 2012, 10:27 pm

My dad has red hair, my mum has black hair and I have brown hair.


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16 Mar 2012, 7:22 am

Sounds like a red herring :lmao:



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16 Mar 2012, 7:24 am

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Sounds like a red herring :lmao:
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16 Mar 2012, 11:20 am

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Like red hair, it's a purely caucasian gene, yet you see it in biracial (black and white) children.


I'm calling you out on that one.

Almost every human, regardless of race or descent, has some red color to their hair. The coloring comes from a chemical called pheomelanin, which brings out a pink/red hue. It's very easily covered up by both black and brown eumelanin (which causes black/gray hair and brown/blonde hair, respectively), so it's not usually visible. However, it does withstand environmental damage and is surprisingly resilient, which is why someone with black hair that spends a lot of time in the sun might start noticing reddish highlights- the UV light breaks down the eumelanin easily, but the pheomelanin stands strong, giving the red tint. It's also the reason that, if you've ever seen an Egyptian mummy, their hair is usually orange/pink. There weren't red-headed Egyptian pharaohs, right? It's just that over thousands of years, all the eumelanin has been destroyed, leaving the strong pheomelanin behind.

Hair genetics are complicated. There is never any one gene that causes a single color, but rather a combination of genes working together. When a person ends up with what we call "red hair", it's actually due to a high concentration of pheomelanin verses a low amount of eumelanin. So it's not so much that a "red hair gene" causes lots of red hair in caucasians, but that some people's genes call for a high concentration of pheomelanin, a chemical that we all have some of, alongside a low amount eumelanin.



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16 Mar 2012, 11:28 am

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Like red hair, it's a purely caucasian gene, yet you see it in biracial (black and white) children.


I'm calling you out on that one.

Almost every human, regardless of race or descent, has some red color to their hair. The coloring comes from a chemical called pheomelanin, which brings out a pink/red hue. It's very easily covered up by both black and brown eumelanin (which causes black/gray hair and brown/blonde hair, respectively), so it's not usually visible. However, it does withstand environmental damage and is surprisingly resilient, which is why someone with black hair that spends a lot of time in the sun might start noticing reddish highlights- the UV light breaks down the eumelanin easily, but the pheomelanin stands strong, giving the red tint. It's also the reason that, if you've ever seen an Egyptian mummy, their hair is usually orange/pink. There weren't red-headed Egyptian pharaohs, right? It's just that over thousands of years, all the eumelanin has been destroyed, leaving the strong pheomelanin behind.

Hair genetics are complicated. There is never any one gene that causes a single color, but rather a combination of genes working together. When a person ends up with what we call "red hair", it's actually due to a high concentration of pheomelanin verses a low amount of eumelanin. So it's not so much that a "red hair gene" causes lots of red hair in caucasians, but that some people's genes call for a high concentration of pheomelanin, a chemical that we all have some of, alongside a low amount eumelanin.


Wat.

It's originated from Neanderthals, who were never anything but white. And scientists have identified the gene :P MC1R, a gene that mutated in the Neanderthal population and introduced red hair to the human race.

If you're going to call me out read the whole thing. I said any trait that is spread throughout races should be considered a shared trait at some point O_O


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