03 Apr 2012, 6:20 am
dr01dguy wrote:
It depends upon your MBTI personality type. (warning: slightly tongue-in-cheek)
If you're INTP, yes. You can know beyond doubt, with absolute confidence. You've already spent weeks scrutinizing your childhood memories, analyzing your life, and obsessively reading about AS. You match. Period, full stop, end of story. If your doctor disagrees, but can't offer a more compelling alternative explanation it's because he's an incompetent quack.
If you're IxTJ, no. You'll never be satisfied with anything less than an official diagnosis,.Who are *you* to challenge medical authority? I mean, you might be (shudder) *wrong*. And if you *are* wrong, um... er... well... being wrong scares you. Meanwhile, every INTP in the room will take one look at you, yawn, say "Aspie!", then go back to their obsessive special interest of the week.
If you're Exxx, you either misunderstood the questions, or you aren't an Aspie. Google "Swashbuckling Introvert", change your first letter to "I" if it sounds like you, then re-read this answer. (loosely, a "Swashbuckling Introvert" simultaneously craves arm's-length admiration & fame AND solitude. SIs tend to be false-positive mild Extroverts on MBTI).
If you're INTP, yes. You can know beyond doubt, with absolute confidence. You've already spent weeks scrutinizing your childhood memories, analyzing your life, and obsessively reading about AS. You match. Period, full stop, end of story. If your doctor disagrees, but can't offer a more compelling alternative explanation it's because he's an incompetent quack.
If you're IxTJ, no. You'll never be satisfied with anything less than an official diagnosis,.Who are *you* to challenge medical authority? I mean, you might be (shudder) *wrong*. And if you *are* wrong, um... er... well... being wrong scares you. Meanwhile, every INTP in the room will take one look at you, yawn, say "Aspie!", then go back to their obsessive special interest of the week.
If you're Exxx, you either misunderstood the questions, or you aren't an Aspie. Google "Swashbuckling Introvert", change your first letter to "I" if it sounds like you, then re-read this answer. (loosely, a "Swashbuckling Introvert" simultaneously craves arm's-length admiration & fame AND solitude. SIs tend to be false-positive mild Extroverts on MBTI).
I was confused about this post, so I googled, did MBTI test, and was ISTJ (or possibly INTJ, close call between them).
Does being wrong scare me? No more than any other unknown I haven't experienced yet
I do not have a particular deference to authority, medical or otherwise. They may have studied medical textbooks for years, but I have studied me all my life. An "expert's" opinion would be just another fact to add in before I make the decision about what my opinion is.
I wouldn't go for official diagnosis because there would be no gain to me other than to satisfy my own curiosity about what a doctor would think, and it would be difficult geographically, expensive and embarrassing if they went around interviewing people about my childhood, and like I said I don't take anyone else's opinion as being other than exactly that; someone else's.
It doesn't automatically become mine too, not even the opinions of the great Brian Cox.
You are right in one thing though, I do agonise over the details, long after everyone else has made up their minds and moved on!
On that note I'll move on myself and go back to making a stand for the weaving frame I made yesterday.
03 Apr 2012, 7:28 am
03 Apr 2012, 7:50 am
dizzywater wrote:
dr01dguy wrote:
It depends upon your MBTI personality type. (warning: slightly tongue-in-cheek)
If you're INTP, yes. You can know beyond doubt, with absolute confidence. You've already spent weeks scrutinizing your childhood memories, analyzing your life, and obsessively reading about AS. You match. Period, full stop, end of story. If your doctor disagrees, but can't offer a more compelling alternative explanation it's because he's an incompetent quack.
If you're IxTJ, no. You'll never be satisfied with anything less than an official diagnosis,.Who are *you* to challenge medical authority? I mean, you might be (shudder) *wrong*. And if you *are* wrong, um... er... well... being wrong scares you. Meanwhile, every INTP in the room will take one look at you, yawn, say "Aspie!", then go back to their obsessive special interest of the week.
If you're Exxx, you either misunderstood the questions, or you aren't an Aspie. Google "Swashbuckling Introvert", change your first letter to "I" if it sounds like you, then re-read this answer. (loosely, a "Swashbuckling Introvert" simultaneously craves arm's-length admiration & fame AND solitude. SIs tend to be false-positive mild Extroverts on MBTI).
If you're INTP, yes. You can know beyond doubt, with absolute confidence. You've already spent weeks scrutinizing your childhood memories, analyzing your life, and obsessively reading about AS. You match. Period, full stop, end of story. If your doctor disagrees, but can't offer a more compelling alternative explanation it's because he's an incompetent quack.
If you're IxTJ, no. You'll never be satisfied with anything less than an official diagnosis,.Who are *you* to challenge medical authority? I mean, you might be (shudder) *wrong*. And if you *are* wrong, um... er... well... being wrong scares you. Meanwhile, every INTP in the room will take one look at you, yawn, say "Aspie!", then go back to their obsessive special interest of the week.
If you're Exxx, you either misunderstood the questions, or you aren't an Aspie. Google "Swashbuckling Introvert", change your first letter to "I" if it sounds like you, then re-read this answer. (loosely, a "Swashbuckling Introvert" simultaneously craves arm's-length admiration & fame AND solitude. SIs tend to be false-positive mild Extroverts on MBTI).
I was confused about this post, so I googled, did MBTI test, and was ISTJ (or possibly INTJ, close call between them).
Does being wrong scare me? No more than any other unknown I haven't experienced yet
I do not have a particular deference to authority, medical or otherwise. They may have studied medical textbooks for years, but I have studied me all my life. An "expert's" opinion would be just another fact to add in before I make the decision about what my opinion is.
I wouldn't go for official diagnosis because there would be no gain to me other than to satisfy my own curiosity about what a doctor would think, and it would be difficult geographically, expensive and embarrassing if they went around interviewing people about my childhood, and like I said I don't take anyone else's opinion as being other than exactly that; someone else's.
It doesn't automatically become mine too, not even the opinions of the great Brian Cox.
You are right in one thing though, I do agonise over the details, long after everyone else has made up their minds and moved on!
On that note I'll move on myself and go back to making a stand for the weaving frame I made yesterday.
I'm an ISTJ myself.
03 Apr 2012, 8:06 am
04 Apr 2012, 5:12 am
Mdyar wrote:
You can know if you don't have AS, if you can understand and guess peoples' intentions clearly and quickly. All in fluid real time.
If one has a communication problem here, it might also be ADHD. But the underpinnnings are different:
This article hit home with me.
If one has a communication problem here, it might also be ADHD. But the underpinnnings are different:
Quote:
Social cues
Another symptom of ADD is a difficulty reading social cues. The ADD mind, and sometimes the body, typically goes too fast to pay attention to the facial expressions and body language of others. That's also true for the listener: their mind goes too fast that they don't pay attention to the tone of voice, facial expressions, or body language of the speaker. Both miss a lot of social information and so the delay and the slowing down is helpful in improving the reading of social cues.
The best antidote to attention deficit is massive doses of positive attention.
One patient said: "This is exactly what ADD people need because you can finally listen to someone else speak--since you're going to equal time and positive attention, too.
By and large, ADD individuals are rapid talkers who may like to talk too much. When talking about a topic they are interested in, they tend to hyper-focus and become circumstantial, that is they go off on tangents and are long-winded. When they know they have a limited amount of time, they learn to finish before listeners become bored.
Another symptom of ADD is a difficulty reading social cues. The ADD mind, and sometimes the body, typically goes too fast to pay attention to the facial expressions and body language of others. That's also true for the listener: their mind goes too fast that they don't pay attention to the tone of voice, facial expressions, or body language of the speaker. Both miss a lot of social information and so the delay and the slowing down is helpful in improving the reading of social cues.
The best antidote to attention deficit is massive doses of positive attention.
One patient said: "This is exactly what ADD people need because you can finally listen to someone else speak--since you're going to equal time and positive attention, too.
By and large, ADD individuals are rapid talkers who may like to talk too much. When talking about a topic they are interested in, they tend to hyper-focus and become circumstantial, that is they go off on tangents and are long-winded. When they know they have a limited amount of time, they learn to finish before listeners become bored.
Quote:
Listening Problems
People with ADD often have poor eye contact--darting eyes, which can convey disinterest, distrust, or a lack of caring. They tend to listen selectively to the parts of a conversation that interest them, and tune out the rest. They tend to spend a lot of time in their head forming a reply. An idea may come to them when someone is speaking, yet they can't hold onto that idea and listen at the same time, so they have a need to interrupt and blurt their thought out. They have a tendency to judge on little information, to stereotype and label. They often don't receive information objectively, and have a problem with the executive function of brain which involves separating emotion from information. They have a tendency to listen defensively, judging the speaker and judging themselves as inadequate. This distracts them and may cause them to appear insincere They may nod in agreement but have actually lost attention and feel bored.
They may be dishonest in their communication because they feel beleaguered by people, especially by a partner, such as a spouse, and may agree to anything just to get that person off their back. They sometimes fabricate a response because they feel humiliated at having forgotten something that was said.
People with ADD often have poor eye contact--darting eyes, which can convey disinterest, distrust, or a lack of caring. They tend to listen selectively to the parts of a conversation that interest them, and tune out the rest. They tend to spend a lot of time in their head forming a reply. An idea may come to them when someone is speaking, yet they can't hold onto that idea and listen at the same time, so they have a need to interrupt and blurt their thought out. They have a tendency to judge on little information, to stereotype and label. They often don't receive information objectively, and have a problem with the executive function of brain which involves separating emotion from information. They have a tendency to listen defensively, judging the speaker and judging themselves as inadequate. This distracts them and may cause them to appear insincere They may nod in agreement but have actually lost attention and feel bored.
They may be dishonest in their communication because they feel beleaguered by people, especially by a partner, such as a spouse, and may agree to anything just to get that person off their back. They sometimes fabricate a response because they feel humiliated at having forgotten something that was said.
This article hit home with me.
Where is this quote from? I would love to read the rest of it. My son had an ADHD diagnosis about 5 years ago, but everyone said he wasn't so ADHD as my undiagnosed husband.
This article describes my husband (and son) like I've not seen before, but it doesn't describe me.
The only bit of the article like me is that I can't hold a thought in my head and listen at the same time (unless the conversation stays firmly on topic), nor can my husband (he can't stick to one topic anyway). We write stuff down if its important.
We don't go out much together, people seem confused & unsettled by us & how we could possibly be married at all, never mind 18 years.
One thing he can do that I am useless at, was the initial point made by Mdyar, I only realise what people's intentions are too late, unless it is a repeated experience (eg a salesman giving the same blurb I heard before). So as I get older I get better at it, I see the patterns in things repeating with time, but still I am far too trusting. If someone is friendly to me, I trust them, can't help it. If they deceive me I never forgive them. The problem with this is I take things literally, so if someone promises the improbable, I fully expect it, then they say I shouldn't have expected so much (usually my husband)
My husband gets feelings about people which he can't explain, but are accurate, he is an outstanding judge of character in my eyes. He is amazed at the way I take all people at their word (until he reminds me not to), he doesn't. This is possibly our biggest difference.
In social interactions after saying the wrong thing, I do know it was wrong by the expression on the person's face, I just don't understand how it was wrong. My husband is generally unaware that he just said something which shows he didn't understand (or wasn't listening), he doesn't see the body language etc as well as I do. This seems to contradict the rest, but is an undoubted fact.
04 Apr 2012, 6:19 am
http://education.jhu.edu/newhorizons/Ex ... index.html
It's the little pieces of information from a lot of different sources that made it clear of where I stand.
The second quote box( in my post) made the difference. And the hyperfocus bit in the first quote hit home.
Hope this helps ya. 
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