How to deal with abusive Aspergers father

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04 Apr 2012, 11:19 pm

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The reason I brought it up was because you mentioned maybe he was abused by a religious person in the past or something.
Yeah, that's a good point... *sigh* I wish it didn't happen, but it does. On the other hand, the man's a war vet, so if the PTSD comes from anywhere it's probably from being a war vet...


I noticed that too. Maybe both are true?


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05 Apr 2012, 12:03 am

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His autism has nothing to do with his abusiveness. I'm an autistic girl who had an NT stepfather who acted pretty much exactly like that, except that he claimed to be Christian on top of it and accused me of being a... er, promiscuous person. (I'm an asexual virgin, so this is about the most patently untrue insult that could ever be leveled against me.) Then he blamed the abuse on me being such a horrible rebellious child. (My worst rebellion consisted of things like sneaking chocolate out of the cupboard, or reading under the bedcovers with a flashlight at night.)

I'd be willing to bet that your father's been hurt by religious people in the past and is now freaking out about you investigating religion. I don't know what exactly that might have been; I do know that there are religious fundamentalists and extremists of all sorts who I'd advise you to stay well away from. It's always the fanatics and bigots who claim that God supports their unique little brand of hatred. Stay away from that crap, whatever else you do. I'm pretty religious and I've found myself more than once apologizing for what supposed Christians do. If he believes that they're all like those extremists, then he may be worried you'll come home spouting Bible verses, bashing gays, bombing abortion clinics, and generally being a nasty person.

You're fifteen years old--I remember when I was fifteen, I thought that eighteen was a long, long time away and I could never get out of my house. But I did. I survived it. You didn't mention any physical or sexual abuse and usually that's what would trigger police involvement, so you're pretty much stuck there. But it's possible to survive. I got out a year early by going to college early; I don't know if that's an option for you. My little sister got out by going to live with our aunt at the age of sixteen. There are ways to get away from abusive parents even when the law won't put them in jail for it.

As far as religion goes: Well, obviously, from my perspective, I'd encourage you to keep researching it. You don't have to go to a church to learn about God. Recently, I've been unable to go to any church at all; I'm a college student without a car, and the only church services I have access to, I recently stopped going to because they started talking about how being gay is a sin (it is NOT--Jewish ceremonial law, which is what that part of the Old Testament is, also forbade tattoos and quarantined menstruating women; it was a health code not a moral law)... I just couldn't keep going after that. God doesn't just make people gay and then decide to hate them for it.

Uhm, so, yeah, anyway, my point is, you don't have to go to church to learn about God. There's stuff on the Internet, for one thing, from online devotionals and Bibles to forums and Q&A web sites. And you probably have at least a few friends who are religious (for themselves, not because their parents drag them to church). I can't get to a church, and until I can, I'll follow God on my own. It's harder this way, without support from people who believe what I do, but church isn't a prerequisite. Sometimes you can even get really complacent and feel like going to church makes you religious, when in reality it only makes you a churchgoer. Religion is about what you believe and what you do, and what you follow when you make your decisions. There are places in the world where religious freedom is illegal, and where people have to gather in secret--or can't gather at all--if they happen to believe something the government isn't okay with. If they can manage that with the whole country bearing down on them, then I guess you can with your dad. It's not ideal, but... well, you won't be a teen forever.

I really hate it that you have to go through this. I've been there, and it's no picnic to have parents who should be protecting and nurturing you abusing you instead. What he's doing is wrong, and would be wrong whether he were for religion or against it, and would be wrong no matter what you had done. Whether this is something about his having been hurt in the past, or whether it's just his wanting to dominate as many abusive parents do, his behavior is unacceptable. Even the atheists around here are going to agree with that. To a large degree it's probably not even a religious issue: It's more of an "I want to assert my control over my child" issue. If it hadn't been religion, it would probably be something else, like your dating somebody he didn't approve of or your wanting to go to a college he didn't approve of.

You didn't do anything to deserve this. Your father's decision to abuse you is his own--autism doesn't make him do it; it's a free choice, and it's the wrong choice for him to make.

Do you have a trusted adult other than your father--a relative, a teacher?--that you can talk to about this? You shouldn't have to be alone. Ideally, getting him into some anger management classes would be a good thing; but at the very least you can have somebody to talk to. I know NTs need social support to a good degree and it'd be even worse for you to have to do this alone than it was for me as an autistic teen.

Just hang in there, okay? I survived this kind of situation. So can you.

Thanks so much for taking the time to read and reply to my post, it really means a lot. And yeah, he may have been hurt by religion in some way before, but he's never opened up about anything like that. I think he just really, REALLY hates everything to do with it.
About being religious and not going to church, thanks for bringing that up. I might have to do that, and actually I think it would be a good place to start and see if I really want to go through with this. And of course none of the extremist relgion stuff would happen. That's all rediculous. Also, I live in norcal, in the city that's just about the weed and hippie capital of the US. Hahaha I don't think we have any of those churches here, thank goodness, they're awful!
I've been talking to my mom about this as she understands (she was afterall married to him) but it's all a lot to handle so I thought I'd talk to people who have had experience with autism their entire lives, and know how to deal with it. Thanks so much :)



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05 Apr 2012, 12:04 am

Ganondox wrote:
Callista wrote:
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The reason I brought it up was because you mentioned maybe he was abused by a religious person in the past or something.
Yeah, that's a good point... *sigh* I wish it didn't happen, but it does. On the other hand, the man's a war vet, so if the PTSD comes from anywhere it's probably from being a war vet...


I noticed that too. Maybe both are true?

His PTSD is caused by being in Vietnam and on the police force.. He has paranoia, recurring dreams of war/police work, and he has numerous guns and batons stocked throughout the house. I'm reasonably sure it has nothing to do with religion in his past, but I never actually thought about it from that angle. Might be a good thing to casually bring up.



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05 Apr 2012, 2:34 am

Spectrum disorders, and PTSD have nothing to do with your father's abusive behavior. He may have personal issues that make him nasty, or mental health issues, but you should not go back there any more.

Do you have another relative you can stay with when your mom needs a break. Also, if you helped her out more, maybe you would be able to stay with her all the time, at least until you are 18.

Create new FB and email accounts with new passwords, that are never to be used at your father's place. And don't tell him you have done so. I suggest that you leave the old one in place for now, though, so he is less likely to suspect that you have replaced it. You can even post some harmless public type info onto it occasionally, so he thinks you are still using it.

Actually, you should never post anything private online anyway. Once it is in the public arena, it's no longer private.

Now, go shake the family tree for a relative you can stay with to occasionally give your mom a break, and remember, no more visits with your father. When he complains, just tell him, his abusive behavior has worn out his parent card. If he gives you a hard time anyway, get some legal help to terminate his visitation rights. Generally, once a kid is about 12, the courts are more likely to listen to what the kid has to say on this issue.


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05 Apr 2012, 4:04 am

Are you sure your father actually has AS?

Regardless, concerning his behavior towards you, it is abusive and unacceptable and you have a right not to subject yourself to that. Next time I would just refuse to go over there, and if he wants to know why you don't want to visit with him, tell him the truth.

If it's court ordered visitation and it comes down to it, you can meet with the judge and ask the judge to revoke his custody/visitation rights because he is abusive, unstable and it's having a detrimental effect on you.



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05 Apr 2012, 4:37 am

Does he keep you up late at night talking about absolute crap, and you have to sit there and listen for hours?


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12 May 2012, 1:18 am

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Is this what autism does? Im so lost in all of this, I cant understand it...
Anyway, thanks for reading. Any and all advice is appreciated. :)

It's part of the problem. Autistic and ASD people have zero empathy and have trouble conceiving that other people have different feelings and opinions. Even as an adult, I still get rebuked for being rude an inconsiderate, despite lots of therapy and self-reflection. I still make my mother cry every now and then due to some insensitive thing I said or some important task I did or didn't do (moving out of the house and limiting contact to short, polite visits is the best thing I've done for our relationship). I regret doing this, but I do not have the intuitive knack for social grace that neurotypicals have, and I cannot self-monitor myself constantly. Your father insults you and rambles because that's all he knows - he doesn't have the awareness needed for gentle persuasion. I have this problem too (though I know to back off before throwing insulting names).

Your father could change if he is taught that insulting his daughter is WRONG and he is made to feel guilty. But this would have to come from a figure he respects and would take time. He may not respect the opinion of his child (whom he sees as his subordinate that he must control) or his estranged ex. ASDs are stubborn and slow to change, even when they want to.

My best advice is to simply conceal thoughts and behaviors that he doesn't like. Do not express any interest in religion. Do not keep any religious artifacts or books in your home where he might discover it. Do not use Facebook while you are staying with him. If he has control over your Facebook account, simply create another one and never use it when you stay with him. I know it hurts to reduce contact with your friends for two weeks, but laying low is the price you'll have to pay in order to avoid this ogre's wrath. You will have to follow this pattern for the next three years, after which you'll be 18 and no longer obliged to live with him..

BTW - your Dad is in his 60s and you're only 15? He's old enough to be your grandfather. That's interesting.



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12 May 2012, 1:37 am

Bifford wrote:
MissMikkyy wrote:
Is this what autism does? Im so lost in all of this, I cant understand it...
Anyway, thanks for reading. Any and all advice is appreciated. :)

It's part of the problem. Autistic and ASD people have zero empathy and have trouble conceiving that other people have different feelings and opinions. Even as an adult, I still get rebuked for being rude an inconsiderate, despite lots of therapy and self-reflection. I still make my mother cry every now and then due to some insensitive thing I said or some important task I did or didn't do (moving out of the house and limiting contact to short, polite visits is the best thing I've done for our relationship). I regret doing this, but I do not have the intuitive knack for social grace that neurotypicals have, and I cannot self-monitor myself constantly. Your father insults you and rambles because that's all he knows - he doesn't have the awareness needed for gentle persuasion. I have this problem too (though I know to back off before throwing insulting names).


I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. There's having no empathy and trouble conceiving that other people have different feelings, there's being rude by accident (because social norms mean we are supposed to sugar coat everything and lie to make people happy) and there's abusive and belittling behaviour. This has nothing to do with autism or AS and our inability to empathize (which isn't always true) Just because you might not understand WHY your Mother is crying and sobbing, I bet you know it means she's upset, right? Not understanding why is one thing, and I don't pick up on/ get most obvious social and emotional cues, but I have yet to actually meet someone personally on the spectrum, young or old, who doesn't know crying= not happy. That, and as a former police officer, you get taught the things that are wrong, such as verbal abuse.

As for the OP, I'm really sorry that you're having to deal with this, but you're 15, I get 15 isn't an adult, but I'm guessing you're a fairly typical teen? pretty independent, knowing how to cook basic things and clean and whatnot? I would hope your Mother wouldn't want to subject you to the way he treats you because it inconveniences her in some ways. You don't deserve that and he doesn't deserve to have a daughter willing on asking the questions to understand him better, and to know the difference between one thing or another.

Whatever you decide is behind his behaviour- Asperger's or not- NONE of what he does like that is ok. Maybe he needs another ultimatum.