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11 Apr 2012, 3:06 pm

I think saying Aspies are rational and NTs are emotional is a bit of an oversimplification.



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11 Apr 2012, 4:05 pm

ghostar wrote:
Along the same lines as LeagueGirl, I think people on the far ends of the autistic spectrum truly would still need special accommodations even in an AS-dominated world. That being said, people at the other far end of the spectrum i.e. overly emotional people still need special accommodations in this NT-dominant world. So yes, we could be considered as people that think a bit differently.


I am not so sure that the opposite end of the spectrum is "overly emotional", just as I don't think autistic people are purely logical. For instance, many of the things autistic people do are not at all logical, such as hitting one's head or picking at a bump until it bleeds. Plus, my husband is basically at the "other far end of the spectrum", and he *never* cries. He is very intuitive to other people's emotions, however, and that is why he can manipulate other people's emotions easily--for good more often than not, or else I would not be with him.

Recently, he told me he made a very crude joke in an interview--I can't remember what it was about--because he was able to intuit that his interviewer needed a good laugh and would find that particular joke funny. I envy him for his superpower in communication. It's as if he can read minds, except that it doesn't really go THAT far...



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11 Apr 2012, 8:20 pm

Alexander, no I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Maybe I should have been more specific, when I wrote I believe Autism, symptoms of Autism and Aspergers are caused by a virus, I think I should have wrote I think these disorders are caused by a viral infection in a person's body, in my body. I do believe the brain, central nervous system and digestive track are very much affected, I do believe this viral infection causes mitochondria dysfunction. I do know that the symptoms I have had throughout my whole life and still have are all symptoms of Autism and some of Aspergers. I think I can decrease my viral load and become more healthy by the way I choose to live, as far as being conscious about what I eat and Vitamins and supplements I can take to enhance my immune system.


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11 Apr 2012, 8:34 pm

lostchild59 wrote:
Alexander, no I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Maybe I should have been more specific, when I wrote I believe Autism, symptoms of Autism and Aspergers are caused by a virus, I think I should have wrote I think these disorders are caused by a viral infection in a person's body, in my body. I do believe the brain, central nervous system and digestive track are very much affected, I do believe this viral infection causes mitochondria dysfunction. I do know that the symptoms I have had throughout my whole life and still have are all symptoms of Autism and some of Aspergers. I think I can decrease my viral load and become more healthy by the way I choose to live, as far as being conscious about what I eat and Vitamins and supplements I can take to enhance my immune system.


I know I was very surprised you were not being sarcastic. I am glad you are eating healthier. But I do not understand how you could think Autism is caused by a virus. It seems as out there as says people with autism are indigo people.


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12 Apr 2012, 7:33 am

lostchild59 wrote:
Alexander, no I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Maybe I should have been more specific, when I wrote I believe Autism, symptoms of Autism and Aspergers are caused by a virus, I think I should have wrote I think these disorders are caused by a viral infection in a person's body, in my body. I do believe the brain, central nervous system and digestive track are very much affected, I do believe this viral infection causes mitochondria dysfunction. I do know that the symptoms I have had throughout my whole life and still have are all symptoms of Autism and some of Aspergers. I think I can decrease my viral load and become more healthy by the way I choose to live, as far as being conscious about what I eat and Vitamins and supplements I can take to enhance my immune system.


If autism is caused by a virus then why isn't it contagious?


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12 Apr 2012, 8:24 am

OP, I'd say you're about right. I'd also say you're late to lunch, and a bit naive. This idea has been around for a while. I've subscribed to it-- indeed, based quite a bit of my life and hope on it. Sadly, in the end, it really doesn't matter.

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The social model of disability doesn't mean I'm not disabled.

Sure, everything would be be different in a world where everyone had the same sorts of issues I do. That doesn't mean I'm not disabled in this world. That doesn't reduce my difficulties so rmake it so I don't need help.

Also, just because I'm aware that I'm disabled doesn't mean I want cured. I don't want to be forced into a different way of thinking and living than I am. I'd greatly enjoy not needing to worry about migraine triggers constantly, being able to work a job I'd like, and such, but I'd be giving up myself in the process.

So, yes. I'm disabled. And no, its not just a difference. "Just a difference" drastically undermines the challenges in peoples lives even with the diagnosis of Asperger's.

Maybe you don't need help to live in this world and do primarily have a "social difference". That does not mean that autism, including AS, is only that. I have to deal regularly with people telling me I should be more capable than I am, because of my uneven self care skills and the chosen label for my diagnosis.

A different world, and a different society, might change how disabled I am, but we don't live in a different world. Disability is defined against our society.

(Really, I recommend you looking up the social model of disability.)


The lady just nailed it.

The social model of disability is absolutely real.

We are defined against each other. That is fact.

After a certain point-- and that threshold is pretty low-- difference functionally equates to deficit. Whether it is objectively a deficiency or only a difference, it becomes a functional deficit simply because the majority of people choose to view it as one.

Society, by definition, is made up of and formed and defined by and in accordance with the majority of people.

In "The Wonderful Land of Aspergia," we would be the functional ones, and they would be the ones with the deficit.

We're not in The Wonderful Land of Aspergia. We're here. Taking up space in a neurotypical world. That is the material we've been given to work with.

I don't think it's right. I don't think it's fair. But I sure as hell think it's real.


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