Are some people being coddled too much?

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04 May 2012, 1:50 am

I am pretty sure and my husband would probably agree that I coddle my son but on the other hand I probably coddle my daughter a little too, I think it's my nature. It's a fine line, I feel like I would rather coddle him and let him know that I am on his side than to let him struggle and feel overwhelmed to a point that he suffers anxiety and depression (w.hich he is prone to) - it's a tough call, perhaps as he gets older I will loosen the reigns a little - doubtful though..


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04 May 2012, 2:02 am

I can't organize myself to brush my teeth, and I need my mother to do it all for me. All I have is "Asperger's" officially (OCD too, but that's nothing to do with it). There's a zillion more things that I can't do.

So f**k you and anyone else who thinks that's being coddled.



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04 May 2012, 2:14 am

I think people have a tendency to try and find ways to explain their relative level of functioning in terms of personal merit (their own or sometimes someone else's). By explaining things in terms of "coddling," it's easy to rationalize being able to function in certain ways as due to "doing something right" as opposed to "that's how you're constituted."

I find people love to do this with upbringing and intellect, and I question the accuracy of such assumptions overall as I tested with a genius IQ and I was not coddled as a child, but I tend to have severe problems in multiple areas of life - which is to say either my experiences are not consistent with what others describe, or that for some reason I am unable to interpret my life experiences in such a manner as to see the benefits these bring me strictly in the context of my impairments. I can definitely see benefits in other ways, but I don't see how they mitigate my problems.

Or maybe it's a kind of distancing tactic, sort of like "There but for the grace of God go I." Or maybe really do find such things beneficial and make them more functional. I don't know, I only know my own experiences.



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04 May 2012, 2:15 am

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I can't organize myself to brush my teeth, and I need my mother to do it all for me. All I have is "Asperger's" officially (OCD too, but that's nothing to do with it). There's a zillion more things that I can't do.

So f**k you and anyone else who thinks that's being coddled.


Nobody said that people who do need help are being coddled. The parents we are discussing are the parents of higher functioning kids who do have the ability to do things that their parents do for them or refuse to let them try. Nobody said that people who need help shouldn't get it. In fact, I said that parents of medium and higher functioning kids who overprotect and coddle them do a disservice not only to their kid but to the lower functioning kids too, because when others see that the medium and higher functioning kid can do the things his parent says he can't do or won't let him try to do, they get the impression that all kids with AS can do those things if they are made to try or don't receive the help that they do need. That kind of thinking can lead to reduction and elimination of services.

Read through the thread and you'll see what we are talking about, especially before you start telling people "f*ck you" when there is no reason to.


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04 May 2012, 2:39 am

I guess you missed this:

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LOL. Those cases are RIDICULOUS. I'm sure that's not the norm. Yeah, that's way beyond being coddled.

Unless the last guy has serious, major dyspraxia.


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The other I saw in one of the youtube mini documentay, you know the over sentimental ones. And the guy of
a similar age didn't know how to shave, his mom had to do it for him.

I don't want to judge and I know there are people having a harder time than I but this doesn't seem to be an AS
thing. More of a parents freaking over AS thing.


I'll add to those who think these aren't a part of AS, here's something straight from the DSM [from the text on Asperger's]:

The social deficits and repetitive behaviors of AS are quite severe and interfere with the acquisition of basic skills.



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04 May 2012, 3:01 am

Dillogic wrote:
I guess you missed this:

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LOL. Those cases are RIDICULOUS. I'm sure that's not the norm. Yeah, that's way beyond being coddled.

Unless the last guy has serious, major dyspraxia.


and [from the OP]:

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The other I saw in one of the youtube mini documentay, you know the over sentimental ones. And the guy of
a similar age didn't know how to shave, his mom had to do it for him.

I don't want to judge and I know there are people having a harder time than I but this doesn't seem to be an AS
thing. More of a parents freaking over AS thing.


I'll add to those who think these aren't a part of AS, here's something straight from the DSM [from the text on Asperger's]:

The social deficits and repetitive behaviors of AS are quite severe and interfere with the acquisition of basic skills.


And not everyone with AS has those problems. Some parents don't want their kid to try and fail, or to get upset or frustrated if they can't do something, so they let them try once or twice and then take over. Those are the parents I am talking about. Yes, many people with AS have difficulty taking care of themselves and have tried to learn to do it but are not able to. They need help. You cannot deny that there are probably just as many who could learn to do more things than their parents are offering them.

I'm not saying it's a "sink or swim" thing. I'm not saying that parents should just stop doing things for their kids and make them do it on their own or do without. My thoughts on it, as the child of a very overprotective mother (and nobody knew about AS then, she was overprotective for other reasons) is that parents should be willing to let their child risk failure and frustration and even rejection, because protecting them from that means isolating them from life.

Nobody said anything about your mother brushing your teeth. I don't want her to stop. I don't think anybody else in this thread wants her to stop if you need her to do it. You said that you have tried and can't. I'm saying that there are parents out there who coddle and overprotect kids who can do these things, who can learn to do them. They don't want to push their kids to do things that the kid doesn't want to do because it might upset him, so the kid doesn't do them. By "upset" I mean upset, I don't mean meltdown stage.

This wasn't directed at you, it's about coddling and overprotecting kids who don't need it. It's not about doing what needs to be done for a kid that does need it. Why does the fact that those situations exist upset you? It's no reflection on you or your abilities or functioning level. It's about overprotective parents, not about denying help to kids who need it.


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04 May 2012, 11:05 am

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*shrug* some kids on the spectrum are going to choose to develop themselves further regardless, some aren't going to and they're going to find that when they grow and have no skills or degree that a $700 monthly SSI check kinda sucks ;)


That's a $750.04 monthly check... with state funding! :P Course it also helps to get on food stamps. It doesn't suck at all compared to the nothing I was getting. Actually, I miss not having the responsibilities that money placed upon me, but as I said, I was indeed coddled. But, also, I am indeed disabled. I have skills, I just don't know what to do with them. I'm in Vocational Rehabilitation services and even they don't know what to do with me because my mind inhibits me from moving in any direction that isn't laid out before me and my disorders prevent me from having a regular job with people.



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04 May 2012, 12:18 pm

For the majority of children with an early diagnosis it's not so much that they're actively coddled, I think, but that they're unintentionally encouraged to accept their many challenges as rigid life-long limits to their abilities combined with the expectations that because autistic people supposedly improve very little throughout their lives, they won't have more meaningful skills in 10-15 years than the skills that they have now.

This prominent assumption that autistic people including people with "mild" AS cannot and will not improve much throughout the years and that others and I who do "improve" (meaning, not becoming less autistic but learning to do things and figuring out how to get suitable support to join in on life) are special exceptions is puzzling me. Autistic people learn too - if they get the chance to.

I bet this idea about autistic people in general is just like that ancient and ridiculous assumption from some 25 years ago that people with Down's syndrome almost all can't learn simple academics and that they will not learn a good number of self-help skills but will 24/7 care in an institution until they die.

No surprise there, comparing the support of people with Down's syndrome and/or intellectual disability nowadays (which is still not enough and often ends in adulthood similar as support for autistic people does too) with the lack of basic support and understanding years ago, it makes sense that back then, people figured that people with Down's syndrome can hardly learn to do anything - however learn to do things when you're not taught about them in a way that suits you, your intelligence, abilities and learning style?

It might be the same with ASDs now. Because, really, in those past 4 years all the autistic kids I met and heard about improved so much.

Sure, for some kids that improvement is that they react and join in on a simple rhythmic game (because apparently, I'm not the only one who think rhythmic games are awesome) upon that someone has finally figured out how to communicate with them on this very basic level, but in my opinion that is still such a huge improvement over before when there was no reaction therapists and parents understood and when nobody had the knowledge necessary to try to communicate with the autistic person in a way that suits them and works with their autistic impairments.


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04 May 2012, 12:44 pm

Casstranquility wrote:
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*shrug* some kids on the spectrum are going to choose to develop themselves further regardless, some aren't going to and they're going to find that when they grow and have no skills or degree that a $700 monthly SSI check kinda sucks ;)


That's a $750.04 monthly check... with state funding! :P Course it also helps to get on food stamps. It doesn't suck at all compared to the nothing I was getting. Actually, I miss not having the responsibilities that money placed upon me, but as I said, I was indeed coddled. But, also, I am indeed disabled. I have skills, I just don't know what to do with them. I'm in Vocational Rehabilitation services and even they don't know what to do with me because my mind inhibits me from moving in any direction that isn't laid out before me and my disorders prevent me from having a regular job with people.


I thought about it taking it myself, I was on SSI until I turned 18.

You can also get public housing but there's usually a waitlist and still no guarantees.

But, I decided to go back to school. I really do think those who can't work should take it, if it wasn't so hard to get approved again for an ADHD diagnosis I would take it while working part time until I graduate.

But man, in the longrun without any kind of housing assistance it means living with a roommate forever and still being broke as chit.


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04 May 2012, 1:25 pm

Well my mom was over-protective, but uhh she wasn't exactly easy on me verbally....I mean she's part of why I was always so anxious because I was constantly worrying about what she would think if I did anything slightly against a rule or anything like that. I mean it annoyed my cousins and siblings, because I was always the one saying 'well what if she finds out.' 'what if we get caught.' 'come on we can't do that.' but yeah I don't think it was healthy. No one should worry that excessively about that, and luckily Ive been able to get much better with that. But even at the age of 22 I'm still afraid to talk to her about a lot of things I think she would get mad about.

And yeah she made a lot of criticizms, and said plenty of hurtful things wether it was her intention or not...and I don't even know if she even remembers any of this, because now she tries to act understanding and stuff.


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04 May 2012, 2:12 pm

OliveOilMom,

I don't see anything about "coddled" in the OP.

"Coddle" itself is something that can affect anyone; attributing cognitive impairments with "coddling" is erroneous, which I see in the original post.

Crossing the road can be hard for people with ASDs (downright dangerous too in some cases)
Taking care of one's hygiene is another thing that's hard for those with an ASD (see: Attwood for example)

"Coddling" is: hey mummy, I want to ride a bike. Mummy doesn't let her child ride one because she fears he or she will hurt themselves, even though all of the child's peers ride bikes.



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04 May 2012, 2:16 pm

I think there are some people that think I'm coddled because I live at home and don't work. Some of them tell my mother that she should "make" me get a job and if I don't she should kick me out. I'm just lucky that my mother doesn't listen to these people.



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04 May 2012, 2:19 pm

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Ok, I'm sure this is going to bring a LOT of wrath down on my head. But I've seen/heard of some aspies
that seem to have problems way beyond what that you'd expect and I have to wonder is it because the
parents are being overprotective. Before everyone thinks I'm talking about them personaly and pretending
there aren't realy problems I'll give two examples:

I read an AMA on Reddit from a guy who runs student housing for 50 people with aspergers and he mentioned
that one of the guys didn't know how to cross the road at 26 years old. He learned it quickly when he moved into the accommodation but didn't know before hand.

The other I saw in one of the youtube mini documentay, you know the over sentimental ones. And the guy of
a similar age didn't know how to shave, his mom had to do it for him.

I don't want to judge and I know there are people having a harder time than I but this doesn't seem to be an AS
thing. More of a parents freaking over AS thing.

What do you think?


i agree whole heartedly.
i my self was coddled, therefore did not learn things properly when i should have.
it's a chicken or egg question sometimes. i believe my mother has always been extremely neurotic and overbearing. she did not even believe *my brother* who is NT could not do a locker combination in high school.
she drove me every day to school in high school.

really i think it's a y2k thing. NT kids who are coddled, get it even "better" though. i know college students my age (20's) whose parents are paying for them to live in an apartment, while they have fun with their friends and gf/bf's
while i live here with my overbearing parents far away from my peers...
is the grass greener.. really..


also i do believe some people who were *Extremely* coddled, grow up to be extremely fragile. depression, anxiety, psychosis, etc.



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04 May 2012, 7:50 pm

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You can also get public housing but there's usually a waitlist and still no guarantees.


I'm in public housing, Section 8, to be exact. I got on a waitlist for subsidized housing, spent a year in one of those apartments and now have a voucher I can take anywhere.

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But, I decided to go back to school. I really do think those who can't work should take it, if it wasn't so hard to get approved again for an ADHD diagnosis I would take it while working part time until I graduate.


I'm glad you decided to go back to school. I wish you well. I found college too difficult on my state of mind and had to give up, which pretty much made me feel like my entire future was in ashes and I'd never make it as a worthwhile human being. Thankfully I don't feel that way about myself right now as I'm planning a different future that doesn't include needing schooling.

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But man, in the longrun without any kind of housing assistance it means living with a roommate forever and still being broke as chit.


That would be tough. I decided to get my mom as a roommate since I don't fare well living alone and I've always had my parents to lean on if I couldn't make it in the world. I'm planning on living with my boyfriend someday in the future. But, housing assistance isn't always that hard to get... maybe I was just lucky, I don't know. I was only on the housing list for a few months before they offered me an apartment. I refused the first one and they offered me another one later the same year which I did accept. Have hope about housing assistance.



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04 May 2012, 7:57 pm

Ugh, my mother was like this. Never let me outside unsupervised for even a second because I would run off or get kidnapped or something, never let me online for more than a few minutes because bad people would hurt me and I wouldnt realize, wouldnt let me cut my food because I might slip and cut myself... That was probably a major contributing factor to a lot of my messedupness... When I moved in with my dad he tried to be like this, but fortunately I was more successful in stopping that, so it didnt go on for long.



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04 May 2012, 9:20 pm

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I thought this be my unpopular opinion but not this time. I do think some aspies get coddled too much and it does them a disservice and they learn to use it as an excuse and not even try.

I am glad my mother never coddled me. She said things the way they were, if I was mean, she called me mean and made no excuses. If I was rude, she told me so and made no excuses. If I did something wrong, she made me apologize and made no excuses. No problem I had escaped me from negative labels that were true. She had me in a classroom at my special school with high functioning kids, kids who were close to normal, when I did t ball, I was on a team with normal kids than in a special league. She let kids come over and allowed them to play with me. She never wanted to keep me sheltered or in a bubble. She let me go to birthday parties too when I be invited.

When we go out and if I got too overwhelmed, we leave and not stay where I would scream and have a meltdown from all the noise making everyone else there miserable. They had to keep taking me back to those places so I can learn to get used to it and I did eventually.

In high school, mom found out I was going into the special ed room just to be on the computer and she told the teachers in the room that she did not want me in there during lunch and I need to be out socializing or else kids would think I had something wrong with me and I had to be watched and she didn't like me being on the computer looking up Benny & Joon all the time. So after that I was never on the computer again during lunch and I would just be by myself in the hallway in front of my locker playing video games or listening to music. I never liked socializing.


Mom has always treated me like a normal child growing up despite my disabilities. To this day I still get weird out when I have to get accommodated or get help and my mother actually supports it. She calls it a tool and says everyone needs help. For her right now it's medicine and needing therapy for her cancer so she can be the best she can be. In fact my mother who is a nurse has worked with patients who use their disabilities as an excuse and they exaggerate their symptoms. Like one patient may say he can't even walk because his leg hurts too much so he doesn't work and then he be walking fine until she comes in the room and the man starts limping and going "ow." Even she said people with AS use it as an excuse. I am not sure how she found out. I assume she must have been reading online or talking to people about it since it has become more known these days. Sometimes I wonder if I am being too judgmental because I don't know how badly effected the person is by their AS or know their limitations. But yet I always think everyone needs to try harder and push themselves to do it until they can and no excuses.


She sounds amazing.