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17 Nov 2006, 3:51 pm

For what it's worth; show me someone, anyone, who you believe has reached 'their full potential.' If you then asked them, if THEY felt they had reached their 'full potential' I doubt if they would say yes. We're all struggling up the same paths. Best wishes http://whitterer-autism.blogspot.com



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17 Nov 2006, 3:54 pm

That reminds me, I once gave away the full name and e-mail address of someone who I thought would be a great member of this forum, but both posts stating this were deleted.

I indirectly referred to the "Cure Autism Now" group when I sent that message, but I don't remember how.


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17 Nov 2006, 3:57 pm

Is that the wrong thing to do? To post the details here?



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17 Nov 2006, 3:59 pm

Oh, I just remembered, I thought it would be great for her to join here, but that was all in the past.


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17 Nov 2006, 4:29 pm

mcewen wrote:
For what it's worth; show me someone, anyone, who you believe has reached 'their full potential.' If you then asked them, if THEY felt they had reached their 'full potential' I doubt if they would say yes. We're all struggling up the same paths.

Sure, "full potential" is a theoretical condition, but having others not understand autism when you have it is not going to help you in any way. The mere presence of that extra obstacle makes it more difficult for people with autism to realize that theoretical condition. You could say that we are all "struggling up the same paths," and yes people do have to overcome their own personal difficulties, but it's not fair to make comparisons of autism to other problems like that. Why? Because of the stigma attached to these conditions. For example, there is not as much of a stigma on somebody with a broken leg, as there is on somebody with a mental condition. Stigmas and societal views do go a long way towards whether any given person will be productive in society, or will be limited in some way. Personal difficulties are not all treated equally, and hence, outcomes of people with different difficulties will be different.



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17 Nov 2006, 4:32 pm

If you have a few moment, you could take a look at http://whitterer-autism.blogspot.com
and see if you think they should be stigmatized. That way you'll know where I'm coming from without me needing to detail it here. Best wishes



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17 Nov 2006, 4:42 pm

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I think you are all missing the point. These cure groups are going after proper autism. They consider Aspergers Syndrome debatable, and it is not AS that is their cure target. Proper autism (HFA, LFA) are more drastic conditions that require life-long attention. The people with proper autism will never be able to lead independent lives. LFA in particular is comparable to mental retardation. To proclaim that proper autism should not be cured is an ignorant statement. These conditions are financially devastating for families, not to mention the emotional toll.


You don't know that. Have you read what they say about Asperger's? Do you really believe there is a black and white difference between "Asperger's" and "autism"?? Then maybe you are missing the point. I would totally disagree with your last two sentences and my son is "properly autistic", as you might say.



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17 Nov 2006, 4:50 pm

As someone else stated the only autistics who would benefit from a cure are the low functioning ones. By definition they are catagorized as low functioning because of also having mental retardation.

If you cure the autism you still have a child with mental retardation. However you have erased any gifts the autism may have given.

So what have you accomplished?

Most of us HFAs and almost all the ASers dont need a cure, we're fine like we are and like who we are.

If you want to fix the mental retardation that keeps the LFAs from progressing to a level where they can functioning independantly Im all for that.

But wanting to cure autism while ignoring the real cause of their problems is like treating a scratch on a bomb victims arm while ignoring their missing leg and letting them bleed to death.


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17 Nov 2006, 4:57 pm

I think it is mistaken to necessary use low functioning and mental retardation synonymously, if you don't mind me mentioning it. Low functioning can also refer to someone's ability to utilize skills such as cutting with scissors. Such a skill means that you need to have the physical ability as well.
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17 Nov 2006, 5:01 pm

An IQ below 70 is required for LFA.

An IQ below 70 is also required for MR.


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17 Nov 2006, 5:04 pm

Thank you . I didn't know it was as cut and dried as that. I don't think I'd be brave enough to have my boys take the test. At least not for the time being. Best wishes.



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17 Nov 2006, 5:11 pm

And IQ tests are hard to administer to people with speech and language delays. IQ tests are subjective and not accurate.



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17 Nov 2006, 5:15 pm

Hence why I was considered LFA until I started talking and they realized my IQ was above 150.

But curing autism wont fix language thats already delayed.

Curing the autism part of LFA wont make the child any more intelligent and therefore capable of complex communication.


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17 Nov 2006, 5:16 pm

I know. They've already been 'tested' 'diagnosed' etc. but they advised us to wait until they were a little bigger / older before the next batch of tests. Best wishes



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17 Nov 2006, 5:25 pm

Take a look at the site http://whitterer-autism.blogspot.com and then tell me that they are not the most gorgeous people on the planet.......maybe I'm a little biased. best wishes



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17 Nov 2006, 6:48 pm

Nexus wrote:

You can see exactly what I mean. So with that conclusion, I have to say that cure groups are nearly as bad as hate groups in the way they promote their cause; even though their intentions are somewhat different and might not be purely hateful.

Sorry if that's extremely offensive, but I call it as I see it in reality.


It's harder to get them off the kick when they believe that they are doing good for their victims.