why are they so many AS fakers?
Well from my own point of view I've been on an Asperger forum and the experiences I've had from interacting with others on there was often practically no different to interacting with NTs - so whether people fake or not, many who identify as Asperger come across as very NT-like to me personally. So either my definition of what it was to have Aspergers was faulty or many people with Aspergers do a good emulation of NT. Either way, many people on forums seem very generic to me.
The way I act in real life is a lot different then the way I act on here.
Also I act more NT around those I'm more comfortable and familiar with.
Stick me in a unfamiliar place with unfamiliar people and you will soon easily see the Aspie in me.
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Why are some many people convinced that not having been diagnosed yet means that they can't possibly have it/it isn't causing them problems?
Also, I don't think many people want to have autism. What people really want is an explanation as to why they're so damned different, and why things other people think are so simple are so fracking hard for them.
At least, I know that's what I want. I don't care what that reason is, but autism makes the most sense. If I find something that makes more sense, then it'll be that thing. I'm not dead set on it being autism.
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^This. A reason for why I am the way I am is all I was looking for.
In daily life, most people can't even tell that I'm "different" because I've learned, over time, how to act "not different." After a long work shift, however, I definitely feel more Aspie. I'm not sure if others notice, but I certainly do.
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is barely known to those he leads.
He acts without unnecessary speech,
so that the people say,
'It happened of its own accord.' -Tao Te Ching, Verse 17
Also, I don't think many people want to have autism. What people really want is an explanation as to why they're so damned different, and why things other people think are so simple are so fracking hard for them.
At least, I know that's what I want. I don't care what that reason is, but autism makes the most sense. If I find something that makes more sense, then it'll be that thing. I'm not dead set on it being autism.
Exactly.
Are you talking about people faking autism? Or autistics faking being NT? Which is pretty much a given, some being very good mimics.
Now there are a lot of people who SUSPECT they may be on the Spectrum, but do not have an official dx yet. That however, is not the same thing as "faking" an illness. People usually do that with a given illness to either get financial aid/help or sympathy. And since Autism is still often paired with retardation in the public mind, so I doubt many people would fake it. Indeed, what I mostly see here is people who have just gotten a dx go into denial, even if they suspected it themselves.
Anyway, it looks like I was dxed with Classical Autism or Childhood schizophrenia when I was very young ( there was no Asperger's or HFA in those days) but that was surpressed by my parents. Or our service doc was totally incompetent!
Sincerely,
Matthew
Fakeing being an nt is verry hard and draining If a nt want to try being an aspie I say go for it just dont go around saying that thay are an aspie. I figuer its like closing you're eyes to "see" what its like to be blind but you can because you can still open you're eyes when ever you want.
I've yet to see a clear explanation of how you 'fake being an NT' - what exactly does one have to do?
If your neurology means your general body, movements, facial expressions and vocal responses are slower and non-standard, how exactly are you meant to cover that up??
This is how I determine the autism levels - I call it level of 'spacciness' (not very PC I know)
and many who say they have Aspergers don't seem to have any spacciness at all - hence they will be able to pass as NT fine
If you've got the spacciness though you are f-ked as far as faking anything goes
Loneliness, manifested in at least two of the following four symptoms:
- No close friends; - me
- Avoids others; ; - me
- Has no interest in acquiring friends; - me
- Prefers to be single - me
Impaired social interaction, manifested in at least one of the following 5 symptoms:
- Refers to others only with his own needs;
- Awkward social relationships; - me
- One-sided relationship with peers; - me
- Difficulty in recognizing the feelings of others; believe this statement is misunderstood – I think we are not interested about feelings or or just see beyond them or something but -- me
- Detachment from the feelings of other people - same as above -me
Impaired non-verbal communication, manifested in at least one of the following 7 signs:
- Limited facial expression; - me
- Not able to read emotions in facial expressions of others; same as the above explained statement - - me
- Not able to transmit information through the eyes; - me
- Does not look at others; - me
- Does not use hands to express himself; at one time I did not but do now – was -- me
- Gestures are large and clumsy; - me
- Comes too close to others while speaking not - me
Poor speech, appearing in at least two of the following 6 symptoms:
- Violations of intonation; - me
- Talks too much; - me
- Says too little; - me
- Inability to engage in conversation; - me
- Idiosyncratic use of words; - me
- Repetitive speech- me
never been disgnosed and I am the greatest faker of all as trying to be normal like NTs - as you can see above I am not normal - keep in mind this site is open to the intier world - I am am aspie - I refer that word cause I hate saying I have aspergers because I don't - I am aspergers I was built this way - I a very hard time sometimes but I am would rather be me anytime then an NT - I like how I turned out
I used to go on about fakers a lot myself but I have come to realise that a lot of people with Aspergers come across as more NT than me; either because they were just born like it and their AS is milder or they have learned how to emulate NTness
I wouldn't be able to do it even if I tried - my brain's not flexible enough
It also has a lot to do with me seeing our culture as being predominantly NT so I tend to see people who suck up all the cultural norms as being NT/NT-like - but this is inaccurate as there's no reason why people with Aspergers shouldn't be keen on the host culture.
I'm so glad someone said that. I've been just discovering / self-diagnosing (so far) for the last 2 months that I have AS. I'm positive beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have it. Explains everything about my childhood thru now. Next step is testing, which I can get done locally, but no one will treat someone in their 30's.
Anyway, backing up a step, I've been worried to death that I'm going to test "well" (because I can ditch the source material in week 1 and still score a 95% on the test in week 18, historically speaking) and give them all the "right" answers because I know what normal looks like. So, seeing someone put it into words like that really helps. This thread in and of itself, the name of the thread, pretty much shattered my confidence for a few seconds. I was afraid to even post because I'm currently self-diagnosed (100% POSITIVE I'm an Aspie) and didn't want to be said 'faker.' So thanks. To both of you (quotee and original thread poster.) But in different ways.
Faking being NT is something I learned over the years. Yess, its entirely tiring and hard. However, if you want to work & be independent, you cannot act autistic in today's world. Besides, I had years of bullying, abuse, and the ever popular threat of being sent to a mental institution/asylum when I was a kid. Which was a REAL possibility in the 1960s.
And nobody I know would ever fake being autistic.
Though I guess a real jerk might, but there can be autistic jerks as well as NT ones.
Sincerely,
Matthew
- No close friends; - me
- Avoids others; ; - me
- Has no interest in acquiring friends; - me
- Prefers to be single - me
Impaired social interaction, manifested in at least one of the following 5 symptoms:
- Refers to others only with his own needs;
- Awkward social relationships; - me
- One-sided relationship with peers; - me
- Difficulty in recognizing the feelings of others; believe this statement is misunderstood – I think we are not interested about feelings or or just see beyond them or something but -- me
- Detachment from the feelings of other people - same as above -me
Impaired non-verbal communication, manifested in at least one of the following 7 signs:
- Limited facial expression; - me
- Not able to read emotions in facial expressions of others; same as the above explained statement - - me
- Not able to transmit information through the eyes; - me
- Does not look at others; - me
- Does not use hands to express himself; at one time I did not but do now – was -- me
- Gestures are large and clumsy; - me
- Comes too close to others while speaking not - me
Poor speech, appearing in at least two of the following 6 symptoms:
- Violations of intonation; - me
- Talks too much; - me
- Says too little; - me
- Inability to engage in conversation; - me
- Idiosyncratic use of words; - me
- Repetitive speech- me
never been disgnosed and I am the greatest faker of all as trying to be normal like NTs - as you can see above I am not normal - keep in mind this site is open to the intier world - I am am aspie - I refer that word cause I hate saying I have aspergers because I don't - I am aspergers I was built this way - I a very hard time sometimes but I am would rather be me anytime then an NT - I like how I turned out
Snap me too except I had a cleft lip to deal with also.
If I was on my own in this world it would not be a problem.
Aspergers has been with me all my life.
Why would anybody want to fake it.
Aspergers isolates you.
That's a very NT-like answer in my opinion
An Asperger person would be far more likely to want to analyse the issue in depth
- like me!
I can't stand it when people try and shut down debate just because they don't agree with it
it's completely illogical too as discussion forums are there - to discuss things...
People do fake having ASD. You must be the idiot if you do not see this as well.
It irks me that people come one here and claim to have it but at the same time they have friends and significant others and jobs. The complete opposite of what aspergers actually is. Then you have your self diagnosers and people who think they have it and people who diagnose other people. The original poster is right, people here fake having it!
On top of it, the dsm lowered the standards so anyone can claim to have ASD.
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