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21 Jun 2012, 10:27 pm

[img][800:720]http://trendland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/the-original-hipster.jpg[/img]



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21 Jun 2012, 10:29 pm

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so, I was at a beach party yesterday and everyone was saying how everyone wants to be awkward because its cool.
but why does every one make fun and criticize awkward people? NTs make no sense :(


Awkward as in, awkward people attempt to appear normal, so normal people attempt to appear awkward? I don't get this at all... It's one thing to pretend to be normal, but to pretend to be awkward? Why would anyone want to be that way?

I'm curious as to how this would work now.
As long as they're not trying to be awkward like someone with genuine social inabilities, since that would be quite offensive.


Hipsters.
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Yep.


Wow, I really like his flamboyant socks.



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21 Jun 2012, 10:40 pm

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[img][800:720]http://trendland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/the-original-hipster.jpg[/img]


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Indeed he is an OG in hipsterness.



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21 Jun 2012, 11:01 pm

Well, this should make fitting in easier for me.
But call me a hipster and you walk away with a bloody nose.


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21 Jun 2012, 11:54 pm

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Back in my day, the cool people called me awkward as a diss


You must be quite crusty, then.


:lol: This would be maybe five years ago. Hipsters called me awkward.

If times have changed that much, then I'd love to be a high school student now.


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22 Jun 2012, 1:39 am

Kinme wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Jasmine90 wrote:
fefe333 wrote:
so, I was at a beach party yesterday and everyone was saying how everyone wants to be awkward because its cool.
but why does every one make fun and criticize awkward people? NTs make no sense :(


Awkward as in, awkward people attempt to appear normal, so normal people attempt to appear awkward? I don't get this at all... It's one thing to pretend to be normal, but to pretend to be awkward? Why would anyone want to be that way?

I'm curious as to how this would work now.
As long as they're not trying to be awkward like someone with genuine social inabilities, since that would be quite offensive.


Hipsters.
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Yep.


Wow, I really like his flamboyant socks.


yah, those are some nice socks. Lol


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22 Jun 2012, 1:59 am

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[img][800:720]http://trendland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/the-original-hipster.jpg[/img]


That guy looks awesome. I am quite envious of his facial hair.



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22 Jun 2012, 3:04 am

I thought this was pretty funny. So why is it cool for the NT at the beach party to be awkward? Because whoever said it was thinking of it in terms of a TV show or something on the internet that portrays the awkward guy as cool, he's thinking of it in terms of "if I were awkward people would want to be like me". The only difference between ASD awkward and cool awkward is that the cool one knows how to convince people his awkwardness is cool. Paris Hilton for example, why the hell is she famous and why do girls want to be like her? I mean seriously, the vast majority of people would think 'Accidentally' flashing their crotch or their sex tape getting 'leaked' would be an awkward moment; but it's Paris, so it's cool. Other than that awkward is just awkward. NTs very often want to be like somebody else and they create these identities with unspoken rules that others must follow to be part of it. Beatniks, hippies, rockers, mods, valley girls, the Paris Hilton wannabes (I don't even know what they're called). They always do it for social gain. People with ASDs tend to not emulate others as much and when they do they are usually doing it out of personal pleasure, not for social gain. Once in a while their quirk is viewed as cool but I don't think that's usually planned by the person on the spectrum.

For me, I could never fit in because I just can't grasp the unspoken rules that have to be learned to be accepted into any of these groups. I can't understand how people modify their speech, beliefs, and identities to become part of a collective identity. I understand how it works in principle and I recognize it but it's just so alien to me that I wouldn't even know where to begin being part of any group. It's like knowing that it's raining but for some reason I don't know that the right thing to do would be go indoors or get an umbrella. People don't know how to classify me so they think I'm weird or dangerous. Some people have categorized me as a stoner but even stoners have a collective identity (cheech & chong tapped into this) and congregate with other stoners. I use cannabis, alone, for different reasons. I have nothing in common with what people consider stoners. The truth is, in this culture, if you're not a part of some social category you're pretty much screwed, but I just can't bring myself to give a crap about what color hat some soap opera star wore to the beach last weekend.



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22 Jun 2012, 3:07 am

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That guy looks awesome. I am quite envious of his facial hair.


It's like he took Mr. T's necklaces and turned them into a metallic dreadlock.



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22 Jun 2012, 9:52 am

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Yeah, it's definitely a certain type of awkward they're looking for.


You just crushed my dreams :cry:



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22 Jun 2012, 10:11 am

Friggin hipsters.... I have two families of them living right next door and directly across the street... I will NEVER understand them, EVER.

Some days I look out my kitchen window and all I can see is a sea of thick framed glasses, skinny jeans, plaid, bad facial hair (male and female) and tons of fixies.... Doing weird things just to be odd, like buying some arcane German printing press from the 60's and installing it in their garage, just to print hipster business cards... I hate that thing, it makes the ground shake.

I have done everything possible to appear as normal as I can my entire life, gone to great extremes at times. These people go far out of their way to appear, odd, just to be trendy.

That's another thing that bothers me about hipsters, they say they are being obscure and avoiding trends, but they all generally look alike, talk about the same topics, drive the same cars (mostly VW's), Pure hypocrisy.

I'm hoping the skinny jeans robs them of their sperm count or they come to a smashing realization of why bicycles require brakes, thereby removing them from the gene pool.

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22 Jun 2012, 10:22 am

Hmm honestly I don't see what the big deal about hipsters is...I mean I have yet to have a hipster annoy me, but I can say I've been irritated about all the complaining I hear about them. I am kinda thinking they probably aren't as bad as people make them out to be...I mean I don't think their style of dress is that bad especially compared to some other ways of dressing. And so what if they like oldschool things like vinyl players and the german printing press from the 60's actually does seem like a cool thing to have.

Also what is the major moral difference between someone trying their hardest to fit in, or someone trying their hardest not to...same thing in my opinion. However I don't think being in a sub-culture necessarily points to trying ones hardest not to fit in. I mean if I am not mistaking this whole hipster thing is just another sub-culture.


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22 Jun 2012, 10:49 am

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and the german printing press from the 60's actually does seem like a cool thing to have.

Also what is the major moral difference between someone trying their hardest to fit in, or someone trying their hardest not to...same thing in my opinion. However I don't think being in a sub-culture necessarily points to trying ones hardest not to fit in. I mean if I am not mistaking this whole hipster thing is just another sub-culture.


The printing press should NOT be in a residential area, period. I pay a lot of money to be able to have a peaceful place to call my own. When the printing press gets going, it SHAKES MY HOUSE!! ! Get it? He told me he was going to rent a warehouse/office space to install it in.... Never happened.


Sure it's a sub-culture, I have no problems with sub-cultures until I have to deal with it personally. I mean they seem like okay people just why do they have to go so far out of their way to come across as odd to everyone else? Why can't they see the hypocrisy of trying to be obscure by following a trend? When you pose this question to them, they have no answers...

Maybe I just have a problem with the "local" hipsters..... Who knows, I won't be here long enough to really let it bother me anyway... Selling the house in a year. I have issues with city living in general, this could also be part of the cause of my ire, and the hipsters just happen to be in targeting range.


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22 Jun 2012, 11:04 am

By coincidence, I was just watching this video, which is an attempt to introduce a dance style based on the stereotype of an awkward geek. I actually think it's pretty neat, though I have no idea if it could ever catch on.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdEm0X2ig4&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

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22 Jun 2012, 11:10 am

MarthaCannary wrote:
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and the german printing press from the 60's actually does seem like a cool thing to have.

Also what is the major moral difference between someone trying their hardest to fit in, or someone trying their hardest not to...same thing in my opinion. However I don't think being in a sub-culture necessarily points to trying ones hardest not to fit in. I mean if I am not mistaking this whole hipster thing is just another sub-culture.


The printing press should NOT be in a residential area, period. I pay a lot of money to be able to have a peaceful place to call my own. When the printing press gets going, it SHAKES MY HOUSE!! ! Get it? He told me he was going to rent a warehouse/office space to install it in.... Never happened.

Ok well I will admit I am not sure the size or loudness of it, just thought it would be cool being old and from the 60's, I can see that as a bit of an issue though. I don't like a lot of constant loud noise either, I mean I probably would not give a damn if they use it during the day sometimes.......but if it was a constant thing it would piss me off I imagine cool device or not. Oh no I've used the word cool.


Sure it's a sub-culture, I have no problems with sub-cultures until I have to deal with it personally. I mean they seem like okay people just why do they have to go so far out of their way to come across as odd to everyone else? Why can't they see the hypocrisy of trying to be obscure by following a trend? When you pose this question to them, they have no answers...

I certainly wouldn't assume they are all inconsiderate based on the one. Also one could ask you why you went so far out of your way and gone to such extremes to be normal? maybe its a similar reason or the opposite reason. I also kind of wonder if it is that they are actually going that far out of their way or if its more they tend towards somewhat obscure type intrests and so societies jumped on that they are 'just doing it to be trendy.' maybe its how they are and so they identify with the subculture. Maybe they aren't nessisarily trying to be obscure and its only a trend now because those outside the hipster subculture have picked up on the style and apply it to themselves to be trendy.

I mean if it is like other subcultures it started out as just that a subculture of people who could relate to each other based on whatever it's based on and was not meant as anything trendy. Then of course members of a subculture might develop a similar, common clothing style and then once the outside world picks up on it they tend to accuse those in the subculture of dressing how they do or listening to what they listen to just to be trendy. When its really more the people who don't give a damn about the sub-culture but just think the clothes are cool...that are doing it to be trendy. But just my thoughts based on accumulated knowledge of sub-cultures I have gathered.


Maybe I just have a problem with the "local" hipsters..... Who knows, I won't be here long enough to really let it bother me anyway... Selling the house in a year. I have issues with city living in general, this could also be part of the cause of my ire, and the hipsters just happen to be in targeting range.


Maybe though I can't say I agree with directing ones anger at whoever happens to be in targeting range, but I am sure I have done it as well, everyone probably has whether intentionally or not.


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23 Jun 2012, 9:09 am

it's kind of weird for me, split. people either think i'm cute because of my awkwardness, or they find me creepy.