Can mental impairments change to normal before adulthood?

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08 Jul 2012, 6:00 am

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I was telling my parents this and my father said that he remembers reading that Neill Armstrong was tested as having a low IQ as a child and his parents said, whatever happens don't let him know and well, we all know how that story ends.




Ask your father what source he read about Neil Armstrong being tested as having a low IQ since I can't find any site on the web that has reported this story.


Will do, I don't speak to him very often (he lives overseas) but when I speak to him next...


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08 Jul 2012, 7:40 pm

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My son's IQ was tested just before his 5th birthday and he scored in the borderline range, around 78. Based on these results my husband and I have investigated several school options as he is due to start primary school next year and when we went to a 'special needs school' it became abundantly clear to me that my son's IQ is not in this range. The therapist made a note in the report that he should be retested as he was 'somewhat uncooperative' during the test (understatement, he didn't even look at her most of the time). Anyway...now the primary schools are requesting all reports for my son before he starts and I am extremely hesitant to include it because I don't think this is information that should follow him around and god forbid, he should find out that he tested low. Then again, I am not keen on the rigmarole of retesting him and putting him through the anxiety. Not too sure what to tell the schools. I am keen to include information that is more useful - splinter skills and best ways for him to learn.

I was telling my parents this and my father said that he remembers reading that Neill Armstrong was tested as having a low IQ as a child and his parents said, whatever happens don't let him know and well, we all know how that story ends.


If this was a simple IQ test - and your son is on the spectrum - Its Wrong!! !! In fact the test administrator in his own NT not so direct way admitted he failed A battery of tests will give a better understanding of what your son is capable of doing. As I pointed out my son had parts of the battery of tests that he probably did no better than that IQ test your son had -- and he squashed a magnet schools hardest subjects with ease -- May I suggest that you visit the web site of Jake Barnett
his site is the one I have taken the "if you are suffering from autism - you are doing it wrong". link == http://jacobbarnett.org/

You will need to fight for your son - the public schools would like nothing more that to ditch him somewhere where they won't have to think about him. The fight will not be fun, pleasant or easy - but it is doable - remember schools will often give in if you are pushing hard enough and you are asking for something they are capable of doing - often We won because the officials involved just wanted to get rid of the problem of us. Yes, you probably need to have a full battery of behavioral and intelligence tests done - you might have gotten away with just showing up at school the first day had the first intelligence was not done. The testing center you select should have a good history of dealing with people on the spectrum.


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09 Jul 2012, 11:07 pm

I'll post some of your guys questions later but thanks for all the patience.



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21 Nov 2012, 11:25 pm

From talking to my Chemistry teacher who is the head of my IEP, when. I asked her about what my Woodcock Johnson evaluation scores were, she said that my reading comprehension score was that of a eight grader, while my writing comprehension was that of a seventh grader. Keep in mind that this was during early freshman year of high school and I was in a class with those with developmental disabilities. She did say I have some cognitive disability, with also acknowledge that I'm not mentally ret*d, which makes no sense since most sources that I've seen online usually give a description of the disability being the politically correct term for mentally retardation/intellectual disability. I'm still wondering if she meant cognitive disorder, which is basically a learning disabilities such as adhd or dyslexia, or cognitive disability as in mentally retardation.



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22 Nov 2012, 12:45 am

Delays can be caught up.

As others have said, if your communication and language skills improve, your ability to pass IQ tests should also improve.



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22 Nov 2012, 10:46 am

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No, humans cannot get smarter as we age. Each of us is born with a certain set of brain cells based on genetic material from a long line of ancestors (which, for those of us alive today, apparently number in the billions). So whatever intelligence and motor skills we are born with, and to whatever extent or limitation our genetic material imposes upon us, we are trainable and can exhibit learned skills over time. As our behavior changes through education (formal and self-taught), rote memorization, repetition, mimicking language skills and social cues by listening to and observing others, various other stimuli, life experiences, and the extent of our creativity, we also learn to communicate and articulate ourselves and our thoughts.

Except for being developmentally delayed, your evolution over time seems no different from that of the rest of us. It is just taking longer. Unfortunately the generally accepted perception of slow developers is that they are also mentally challenged. And yet you seem to express your thoughts well enough that few of us would consider you mentally ret*d. But then again, we do not know you and can judge you only from afar and by your written communications.

Still have you asked whether the results of this recent Woodcock Johnson III testing has caused a re-evaluation by educators and your psychologist of your IQ, learning capabilities, and social skills? Have you asked your parents and siblings lately to see if they still think of you as being mentally ret*d? And what books are you currently reading and will you tell us also about your current hobbies?

As to your recent question, does this line mean anything to you: "I am not a number!"

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Memorable words. If we change "number" to "score," is the meaning/sentiment still the same?

Definitely try not to regret or stay angry about "missing out" of regular school classrooms and assignments and being segregated from "normal kids." Because so-called normal kids and teachers can be mean and cruel with kids who are markedly different from them. If you have not been bullied (made fun of and physically assaulted) yet by your peer age group, count yourself among the lucky few unscathed and unscarred Aspies. Humans, as an animal species, are no different from other animals that treat their weak ones badly. Except we're taught to be "nice" and to say "Sorry" after we have meted out our hurt.

BTW in third grade my teacher and school principal recommended to my mother that I be placed in a special education school. They probably noted some Aspie traits in me but my mother got the impression they were telling her I was mentally ret*d. So she said No! At least, that is how she recounted the story to me years later. Still I sure fooled them! Because in the eighth grade I tested in the genius level IQ range. In the local all-academic high school I attended, at least two teachers thought I was stupid and said so to my face. They were "normal" too.


wrong the brain wil continue to form connections throughout your life, that IS the process of learning.
your overall brain cell count might not increase but the ammount you can actively use for any given task can and it does.

since thought pattern is far more important than any currentunderstanding of IQ then that means that some people in effect could go from a score of 85 to 140 by simply training the specific parts they need.

memory is also trainable in similar ways.

none of this means that one grows out of something like ASD's, or other mental impairments.


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21 Mar 2013, 9:06 pm

Another question that worries me because of the label that was attached to me when I was younger and still is in my school records. If I'm labeled cognitvely disabled by any testing that was done early in school, is there any possible manner of changing this label? I ask this question because my mother thinks I'm not mentally challenged/intellectal impaired, which are both synonyms for cognitive disability if you look on most dictionaries around the internet. Since this was really bothering me to no end that I decided to ask my school psychologist if the words "cognitive disabled" meant I was mentally ret*d. She said that the label meant that I was "learning disabled", which she responded that the fact of the matter is that you need an IQ higher than 70 in order to quality for a diagnose of a learning disability. Her definition of cognitive disability is basically anything that can slow memory such as Alzheimers and Dementia. Here is one example of a site where they lay out the definition of cognitive disability more closer to my psychologist point of view compared to the general population.

http://webaim.org/articles/cognitive/



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21 Mar 2013, 9:49 pm

In Asperger's it's common that younger kids have more Classic Autism tendencies that they then our grow by the time they're about 10 years old.

With ADD/ADHD, it's said to affect 8.8% of American kids, but that 50% of them outgrow it by the time they're adults, so only 4.4% of adults are thought to have it.

So yes, it's possible for people to outgrow some neurological afflictions or their more severe symptoms as they age.


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