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i_Am_andaJoy
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13 Jul 2012, 3:47 am

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Wow, this kind of kicked me in the chest. I keep thinking I want to do right by my daughter. He loves her so much that I can't imagine him hurting her, but then again.... he used to love me so much too.


He doesn't have to do anything to your kid to cause issues - growing up in a household where your two most important role models, the ones that are supposed to be your model for how adults love one another, have a toxic, damaging, abusive relationship ... that will cause issues all by itself.


Exactly.

Your husband is repeating the role of his father.

Your daughter can one day think-- Hmm, I'm in a bad relationship, so I'd better get out because that's what my mom did! Or, she'll think-- Hmm, I'm in a bad relationship, but I guess this is what I deserve, I mean, my mom was in a bad relationship for years, so if she acted that way, I guess that's what I should do.


That. And/or more subtle things like "men/women are evil", "staying together is more important than being healthy and happy", "I should put myself second if I want to be loved", "people can't really be happy together", etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Yeah, all that.

Don't feel too kicked in the chest though. We are trying to be supportive, not mean.


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13 Jul 2012, 8:17 am

Oh I know everything is said from an objective place and don't think anyone is being mean. Just incredibly honest. It is what I need to hear even though I don't really want to. My best friend told me a lot of the same things yesterday and another last night. I just think sometimes you don't realize how bad it is when you're right in the middle of it.

I woke up this morning and for the first ten seconds thought I'd had a bad dream and that everything was fine. I did the same thing yesterday morning. Then it hits me like a ton of bricks that everything is so not fine and about to change drastically.

It is sobering.



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13 Jul 2012, 10:29 am

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I am starting to wonder if it isn't more Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but can't get over how there is no gray for him in comparison with AS. He is so logical and told me he thinks the social aspect is learned since he's in finance and has to convince people to invest in the portfolios he constructs.

I would think that his extreme pride in showing off his body - endangering his health with strong drugs just to get a bit more of that sexy muscle - is good evidence of narcissism.

I'm not sure quite what you mean by there being no grey for him in comparison to AS. If I understand right, Aspies can be blind to the grey area as a concept, and tend to see things as either completely black or white, but it's not all that hard to talk them down from that, by politely citing truth from the grey area.........the black and white thinking isn't driven by any great passion, it's just a cognitive oversight and rehabilitation is perhaps fairly straightforward once the Aspie has realised that they do it. But the way he's "blacked you out" with his 3 days of hateful criticism and total loss of respect and regard for your happiness, that sounds more like NPD or BPD.

I had the misfortune to think a partner of mine was simply AS, and I've been kicking myself ever since. She was too good to be true for weeks, apart from the way she would absolutely condemn anybody who had upset her, which took some time to become apparent. She ended up writing a 22-point critique of me. I said I didn't think I'd be able to handle such a wealth of criticism in one go (I'd seen her attempts to criticise people before, and frankly a 2-year-old could have been more articulate and diplomatic....all she had was put-downs and vitreol). I asked her instead to give me one criticism at a time. All she did was to tear up her critique, then a week or two later she told me she thought she'd fallen out of love with me. She never gave me a reason, though I all but begged her to tell me if there was anything she didn't like about my behaviour. Absolutely no assertiveness - only submissiveness or hate. To her, people were either angels or demons, shiny white or inky black. I never stood a chance.

But whatever your partner's DX, he's crapping all over you and I don't see much chance of him showing any remorse or mending his ways, unless you put a gun to his head. He's committed emotional infidelity, bigtime, and now it's clear that he's committed sexual infidelity. Personally I've never been able to see how the former could possibly fail to lead to the latter unless it's tackled robustly, so I'd have challenged his emotional infidelity and been ready to quit if he didn't mend his ways. I can't believe he loves you.



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13 Jul 2012, 10:43 am

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I've written before about how badly I want to save my marriage because of how much I love my husband and how badly we want to be the best parents to our fourteen month old daughter. I've ordered so many books, found a therapist that specializes and talked to my husband about working together to learn to communicate. This all came about because he spent three nights in a row in May telling me every single thing he hates about me. He's been heartless since and sexually aggressive on a few occasions, which is extremely rare. I assumed this was also because he decided to do a ten week cycle of steroids against my wishes. I keep thinking that we can tackle this when he is done with his cycle since it makes him so intense.

He went out of town on Saturday, but before he left he picked apart the grammar in a sentence I used and made me realize that there may be more. He was extremely paranoid about something I said in regard to my thoughts on fidelity. I pulled his cell phone records and there it was... He has been texting another woman since around the same time he became so upset with me. I happen to know he has a very high regard for this woman and is extremely attracted to her. He brought her up over a year ago and when our daughter was a newborn we happened to run into her and her husband and it was awkward to say the least. She had no desire to meet me or make any comments about our baby, which I thought was weird. A few months after that they happened to be at a conference together and he went on to talk about how smart she is, how beautiful, not like most women he has met and all the guys there wanted to have sex with her. I asked him if they were having an affair and he said they weren't. They no longer work for the same firm and have no reason to be in contact. They text every other morning or so after I leave for work until around lunchtime, when I assume they may be meeting. They have phone conversations when I'm out of town and they were texting this weekend while he was out of town on a Sunday morning. She is married with a child as well.

I am beside myself. He doesn't have sex with me very often. I thought this was something I would have to come to terms with in an AS/NT marriage, yet here I find he is seeking out another woman for what? Emotional support?

I also confronted two friends who had been acting strange about a trip we all took two years ago. I said I had reason to believe my husband may be cheating and it was time they came clean. They both told me that while he was with them for the Bachelor party he asked to be taken to a whore house where he was dropped off and remained for an hour.

Can someone with AS please explain this behavior to me? Are there AS males that do pursue sex outside of their sexless marriages?

I know I have to confront this, but I'm scared. He can be extremely volatile and with our daughter I really want to make sure we handle what now seems to be our impending divorce amicably. Is that even possible?


IMO, you are being abused by this man.

You deserve to be treated well.

His abuse toward you is NOT from ASD and there is NO excuse for his behavior.

Please see a Psychologist to help you divorce this man and protect you and your dtr.



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13 Jul 2012, 12:27 pm

This is probably gonna be yet more bluntness. But: A history of abuse does not excuse abusive behavior. I was abused as a kid; I do not abuse people as an adult. If I find I am getting angry or resentful, I avoid contact with anybody I might take it out on until I've cooled down. If I were to mistreat someone, it would be a willful choice, not a helpless repetition of what was done to me.

Yes, it's easier for your husband to be abusive than it would be if he had had a stable family. But "easier" does not mean "inevitable". He chooses to do what he does, just like my stepdad--with his own abusive childhood--chose to hurt me. We all have our personality flaws and weaknesses; what matters is whether we give in to them, whether we try to improve or whether we simply pretend it isn't our fault and take it out on others. Your husband's choices--not his past--are the cause of his actions.

Having two parents is not the definition of a happy childhood. Having adults you can trust is the important thing. Yeah, you're better off having more than just one adult you can trust--but here's the kicker: It doesn't have to be a parent. Grandparents, uncles and aunts, older siblings, even family friends, teachers, or pastors can fill that role. If you leave your husband, there's no reason why you should have to raise your daughter by yourself. People who have been abused are often socially isolated, but once you're out of that situation, you can find new, healthy social connections, people who will treat you and your daughter as an equal.


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13 Jul 2012, 12:42 pm

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He also seems to be controlling (picking apart your grammar, for example) and uncaring about you and your reasonable needs.


I don't know if I'd agree with that controlling thing... Or rather, I don't know if picking apart grammar is indicative of being controlling...

I point out grammatical errors all the time, simply because it's huge and glaring to me. I simply can't NOT notice it, and to notice it and not say anything is like watching a car on fire go driving down the road and not trying to get the attention of the driver. I don't know why I feel that way about it; I just know that I do. It doesn't mean I'm trying to control anyone or that I dislike that person or think they're stupid or anything else that could possibly be inferred from the action. All it means is that poor grammar bothers me.



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13 Jul 2012, 1:34 pm

Being a stickler for grammar is a common trait. To some people, bad grammar just looks wrong and really annoying. If it were just that he was a grammar nut, there wouldn't be a problem.


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13 Jul 2012, 7:47 pm

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He also seems to be controlling (picking apart your grammar, for example) and uncaring about you and your reasonable needs.


I don't know if I'd agree with that controlling thing... Or rather, I don't know if picking apart grammar is indicative of being controlling...

I point out grammatical errors all the time, simply because it's huge and glaring to me. I simply can't NOT notice it, and to notice it and not say anything is like watching a car on fire go driving down the road and not trying to get the attention of the driver. I don't know why I feel that way about it; I just know that I do. It doesn't mean I'm trying to control anyone or that I dislike that person or think they're stupid or anything else that could possibly be inferred from the action. All it means is that poor grammar bothers me.


Yeah, I'm a grammar nut too. I saw it as an example of controlling behaviour in the wider context of what is an abusive relationship. If that were the only issue, then I wouldn't see it as a problem.



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14 Jul 2012, 7:29 am

The way I see it, he needs some controlling behaviour applying to him. Like a damned good kicking every time he exercises his stinking free will. In some cases, control is good.



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14 Jul 2012, 12:08 pm

He told you he hates you. He is using steroids (which can make a person into a psychotic lunatic), banging skanks on the down low. Seriously, is your self esteem such a pile of dog poop that you can tolerate this?

What are you teaching your daughter? It is okay to get kicked in the head and come crawling back for more?

There are boat loads of people that had/have horrific child hoods, and live decent lives.

Leave. Let him have joint custody (or whatever you feel comfortable). Tell him to clean up his act, and maybe you'll work on a future relationship.

Had Fior told me he hated me, and had booty calls on the side, his s**t out be in a flaming pile on the front lawn :evil: . If you hate me, fine, let's cut bait and you go your way. You want the skank buffet, fine. Have at it. BUT DON'T FREAKING LIE TO ME AND USE A MESSED UP CHILD HOOD AS A PITY PARTY EXCUSE. I don't like being made a fool.

I have found from others, that by the time all the crap hits the fan, counseling is worthless, unless the cheating spouse has a big "come to Jesus moment", with a full plate of repenting and making amends.





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14 Jul 2012, 1:51 pm

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He told you he hates you. He is using steroids (which can make a person into a psychotic lunatic), banging skanks on the down low. Seriously, is your self esteem such a pile of dog poop that you can tolerate this?


Give some credit where credit is due ... she's realizing the situation. It takes time. It's a Big Deal. An entire life change. It's not one of those things where someone can just, in an instant, take an entirely new direction and attitude, unless perhaps they've had previous experience with a similar situation.



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14 Jul 2012, 2:47 pm

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He told you he hates you. He is using steroids (which can make a person into a psychotic lunatic), banging skanks on the down low. Seriously, is your self esteem such a pile of dog poop that you can tolerate this?


Give some credit where credit is due ... she's realizing the situation. It takes time. It's a Big Deal. An entire life change. It's not one of those things where someone can just, in an instant, take an entirely new direction and attitude, unless perhaps they've had previous experience with a similar situation.


:cheers: Well said!

Let's show our anger toward HIM and gentle compassion and support to ApplesOranges.

What she is going through as she comes to terms with her situation is seriously difficult and very painful!



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14 Jul 2012, 2:53 pm

I agree this is more than AS.

But I am not sure I agree someone who was AS would not go to a whorehouse. Surely it's the classic way for relations without small talk? Doesn't matter how socially inept you are, as long as you hand over the cash, your lady of the night won't complain.



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14 Jul 2012, 11:05 pm

He can be both AS and NPD, assuming his AS diagnosis is real and valid, not just a license to excuse his bad behaviour.

I suspect that NPD is the mild Aspergers expression of cluster B (dramatic) personality disorders, whereas messed up NT's gravitate more towards the other three PD's.

But the upshot is, Aspergers and autism are "nature", cluster B disorders are "nurture", so you need to keep your 1 to 7 year old child away from the abuse until her conscience has formed a secure base.



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15 Jul 2012, 8:29 am

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I agree this is more than AS.

But I am not sure I agree someone who was AS would not go to a whorehouse. Surely it's the classic way for relations without small talk? Doesn't matter how socially inept you are, as long as you hand over the cash, your lady of the night won't complain.

I agree having AS wouldn't completely rule it out. I do like to think AS are more faithful, as it's such a well-known taboo and we often take to clear rules very well, but there's no hard evidence.



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15 Jul 2012, 1:22 pm

I think it's unlikely that he's got AS; but if he did, it still wouldn't explain his behavior. AS doesn't make you act that way. If it were socially clueless accidental insults, social withdrawal, hyperfocus on his own interests, etc., then I'd say yeah, this is because he has AS. But it's not. He's being a lying, cheating bastard, and that's something you do because you choose to do it, whatever your neurology happens to be.


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