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Mdyar
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14 Jul 2012, 8:30 am

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If your definition of "borderline" is being able to blend in with NTs and having NT friends then I could be considered borderline. I am very quiet and passive, most people would assume I am just shy/anxious/aloof rather than AS. I can usually communicate very well in functional situations (like giving information to people) and can usually get through brief social exchanges without appearing too awkward. Though I've always had a hard time making friends I have managed to make and maintain a few close friendships. I've gotten through college without any accommodations and always did well in terms of academics.

I often refer to my AS as being mild because I often come across as very "normal" compared to what people think of when they think of AS. But I am still very isolated, still have sensory issues that make day to day life more difficult, executive function difficulties that make it hard for me to get things done and still have a difficult time in situations that seem to come very easily to other people. AS affects me each and every day, so even though I can often appear NT I don't know if I can consider myself "borderline."


It's hard to define these stages of functioning I guess. I am in essence "this." When much younger I sensed a lot/much out of sync. in many face to face circumstances. Really uncomfortable and would shy away from situations that I felt would or could put me in a lurch - "avoidant."

Now, I don't care really about any awkwardness and just do it - "let er' rip"- " wing it, etc. I think I had ToM issues much worse than " borderline" at that point in my life. Definitely diagnosable.

Funny thing to me is that I tried hard to work out these "mental mistakes" ( what I thought they were at the time) and I must have healed something here overtime( for lack of a better term) because the information gets through- no impediment - little impediment. I think of it as willing it into oblivion on a constant basis. That is to say, my 'literalness'.

Strange, because autism is generally stably unstable, and one could put forth the notion that this wasn't " it" because of this.



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14 Jul 2012, 9:56 am

I'm most likely an HFA who definitely does not blend in or mix well with NTs. They're the ones who are constantly noting and voicing how different I am from them.



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14 Jul 2012, 10:01 am

I would not say I border NT sometimes I wish I was Nt



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14 Jul 2012, 10:21 am

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If your definition of "borderline" is being able to blend in with NTs and having NT friends then I could be considered borderline. I am very quiet and passive, most people would assume I am just shy/anxious/aloof rather than AS. I can usually communicate very well in functional situations (like giving information to people) and can usually get through brief social exchanges without appearing too awkward. Though I've always had a hard time making friends I have managed to make and maintain a few close friendships. I've gotten through college without any accommodations and always did well in terms of academics.

I often refer to my AS as being mild because I often come across as very "normal" compared to what people think of when they think of AS. But I am still very isolated, still have sensory issues that make day to day life more difficult, executive function difficulties that make it hard for me to get things done and still have a difficult time in situations that seem to come very easily to other people. AS affects me each and every day, so even though I can often appear NT I don't know if I can consider myself "borderline."


You described my life very well. Thank you.



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30 Nov 2013, 8:05 pm

I suffer from dyspraxia, this is the only condition, my parents think I have a problem.

Some people with dyspraxia, have aspergers traits.

I had a non - standard diagnosis of aspergers traits ( a 10 minute chat). The psychiatrist said "aspergers traits not a problem", the note from the psychiatrist says I have an autistic spectrum disorder.

It means I am on the Autistic Spectrum, but I am not severe enough, to have a diagnosis of asperger syndrome, now I know this means I have a borderline case of asperger syndrome.

My Autistic Spectrum Quotient is 24/25.

I have had no major difficulties socially as a child.

People including psychologists treat as NT or asperger syndrome. What about the middle ground, the borderline cases ?

It is not the same diagnosis as dyspraxia, dyslexia.



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30 Nov 2013, 9:50 pm

i feel similar but as usual with myself not the same . i spent my school years going to a nt school but until the last year i never really got on with anyone there leading to me spending alot of time on my own . But in the last year i gained some friends which only made me feel worst because the bubble i had incased myself in from the rest of the world had gone . leading me to realise how differnt i was compared to my friends which i now realised they only really talked to me because they felt pitty for me .

since i have been going to college ( the class i am in is nt dominated ) i have met about 30 auties as the college run a course for us ( which i am not in but i met up with the group as we have a mutual friend who is also aspie) and again i realised how differnt i am to them also . i act as many aspies do when around nt's just being quiet and staring into space while they can socialise with each other.

i dont know if this is could be considerd borderline or not , but to me i fell like im neither one or the other.


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30 Nov 2013, 10:09 pm

I used to think I was right on the borderline, but i think as I get older and the world has more expectations I am realizing more ways I am impaired. I can pass for NT until you get to know me. If I trust you and know you I connect a little better, but if I do not know you or am not comfortable with you then I have a hard time. I don't read social cues well and tend to stay stuck on things a little longer than most. I also experience emotions really deeply. For example, I saw Catching Fire a week and a half ago and some scenes are still playing in my mind. I struggle to separate reality and fiction at times as to me everything feels literal. I do not enjoy fiction and so even fiction can seem real. I also get intensely interested in topics. As a graduate student though, some of my professors love this quirky trait about me because they can just pour in information. My profs tend to either love me or hate me. I have stayed very distant and disconnected from my peers, though a year and a half later I am starting to connect with some of them. You read that right... it takes me at least a year and a half to connect to people I see almost every day.

All this said, I am not complaining. I'm in a situation that works really well for me. Hopefully it will last.



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30 Nov 2013, 11:50 pm

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I don't think that there is a borderline, you either are aspie or you aren't. That being said, there are different levels of compensitory strategies, which allow some to seem more normal than others. That's just my opinion though.


Fube...

Since autism involves a brain that physically works differently from the "norm", how differently that brain works from the norm will indeed affect "how autistic" they are.

It's even been found that over time an autistic brain can make changes to itself as the person ages, and become a bit more like an NT brain.

I have to disagree with you. There are people who are not as neurologically impaired as others, and so their autism isn't as extreme.

Yes, coping mechanisms/methods/strategies are helpful, but that doesn't change the fact that not all Autistics have the same degree of neurological impairment to begin with. That degree of impairment is going to affect how well they function and how close to NT they come across.


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01 Dec 2013, 1:17 am

Oh, yes, there are borderline people. I am one. I suffered terribly as a child with many of the common things described here. The thing that made it worse, in retrospect, was that there were no concepts or vocabulary to describe what I was going through. I'm too old to be diagnosed--it is too expensive and there is no point to it now.
The social skills deficit has been an eternal burden. I always wished I had more friends--I remember hiding outside or driving the family car aimlessly on Saturday nights because I was too embarrassed for my parents to see me stay home on Saturday nights. My siblings had the telephone ringing off the hook and always went out on Saturday nights. The contrast with me was stark. I was ashamed of my situation, and it would have helped to have an explanation.
Do I pass as normal in most situations? Yes, in fact I have been praised for my manners and politeness, but this happens in a structured situation where it is clear what should be done and said. If I am put into a more fluid situation, such as a party, I become a frightened nervous mess that has made a lifetime of bad impressions and embarrassing situations. My politeness is a reflection of the lack of social skills, not an indication of mastery--people are easier to predict and understand when one is polite and well-mannered.
Anyway, full-blown autism? No. Asperger's? Nothing else explains my painful past and present as well as this. It resonates. To all the young people who are suffering now as I did then, whether you have been diagnosed or not, I know the kind of suffering you are going through--you are not alone.
Yes, there is a spectrum. By definition, there will be those of us who may seem fine and are "very high-functioning" yet are touched by this state of being. Would we be officially diagnosed if given some sort of examination? Some of us yes, some of us no, but the results may be clustered together around some arbitrary boundary score with people on both sides of this score.



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09 Nov 2014, 4:54 am

This is interesting. I always thought I had aspergers as a teen, but I was never diagnosed. What you guys are describing fits me perfectly.

Now I'm in the Air Force going on 3 years, I'm not thriving but I'm doing ok for myself.



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09 Nov 2014, 11:06 am

I definitely am not borderline. I seem normal-- until I start speaking. I did not think that anything was different about me until 1st grade (6 years old) and could not figure out why I never seemed to fit in. It has always been abundantly clear that I had this glass wall that separated me from everyone else. The only thing NT about me, is the social norms and etiquette that I have learned.


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09 Nov 2014, 2:28 pm

I have physical disabilities & dyslexia that are alot more prominent than Aspergers. If I examine the ways those things can affect me Aspergers is much more minor limitation sense my other issues can limit me in some of the same ways Aspergers does. I defiantly think I have Aspergers on top the other stuff thou.


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09 Nov 2014, 8:33 pm

I think they call it broad autism phenotype


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09 Nov 2014, 10:42 pm

jenisautistic yes


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10 Nov 2014, 3:52 am

I'm just a multifaceted defective toy santa with a broad AS streak. but I'm the way god made me, "I yam what I yam." :santa:



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12 Jan 2015, 1:02 pm

I would describe it as being half cast, your neither black or white. If I had AS as described then I don't see it as a disorder or illness nor do I see that the NT aspect is a disorder or illness. But have come to realise that everyone is different in every way. And the things that make us be. Ie quirks are the things that make up our personality. That's what makes humans so successful is diversity of the mind. There are a lot of unanswered questions for me that I remember from my own childhood, which I believe I remembered to guide me where I am today. Emotions I could not cope with then are emotions I can deal with better now.

There must be at least two stages of construction to the mind, the mind you are born with and the mind that you raise through life experiences. So no two people can be the same.

I would say for me that the internet and WP has been useful in understanding of the humble minds that use it. I have gone to write things of my own concern only to find that somebody else has already answered my question and had written it in a way that couldn't have been written any more clearly, like a finely tuned coloured tapestry of music melting into my brain. To me it seems there are a lot of dedicated genuine people with excellent opinions and answers, trying to raise there minds in the right way. Truly awesome. :mrgreen:

I don't know if I want diagnosis, I don't know if I want to change, I don't know if I want friends, or a girlfriend, or to get married, I'm not even sure if I want kids, I'm not even sure if I can get any of that. I'm not even sure I would want any of it even if I got it. Obviously I haven't and the above is why I won't.
I don't think there is a psychiatrist in this land that could treat me, and I wouldn't let them anyway. I accept that most of the things people say is foreign even though there speaking my language, sometimes it's funny to me and sometimes it's frustrating. I accept that it must seem highly frustrating to people when they realise I don't play along with there games or I am to brutally honest, then they wonder why. I've learned how to give myself a break and I just say I don't play nice. I accept what ever I did wasn't intentional but I am truly sorry. And I too strive for personal goals. I've learned that work wasn't as easy as just doing it and even that was mostly a struggle but I get there. And I know when I do I will be one of the best. I've learned I don't read body language nor do I rarely read eyes nor can I spot a liar this way. Instead I have a semi photographic and great long term memory. When I say photographic I mean in sounds too. Haha.
I also I learned I read mostly lips and noses and when I look for memories I look for pictures.
Now I'm trying to learn the arts of trusting the right people.
I guess everybody has there life lessons.
If anything I am constantly. trying to understand who I am. And what my thoughts are.