05 Aug 2012, 4:58 am
FalsettoTesla wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
cooldryplace wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
This might be a bit outdated but Im just wondering(and someone I know in real life brought up a good point) how come a hallmark trait of Aspergers people is having a VERY high IQ?
Is it? From what I've read the average is only slightly higher than the default IQ average of 100. Also, a diagnosis is only given if the subject has an IQ over 70. By "hallmark trait," do you actually mean stereotype?
I have no idea but almost every conference and doctor I have seen have proven that ALL the Aspies they treat are Geniuses (based on IQ tests)
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I mean that really doesnt make sense, usually most professional (referring to neuropsychologists here) IQ testing here measures the verbal AND nonverbal, so if the two average out to be a genius/high iq level, how can someone have Aspergers/struggle with making/keeping friends? Especially since the Verbal AND Nonverbal IQ are averaged out to be in the Genius range.....?
Because Asperger's and ASDs are so much more than a lack of abilities that are measured by IQ tests. How can Aspies be otherwise normal and sometimes even smarter than others but so deficient at other important life skills? Some tests that show a NT/Aspie difference that you might want to check out are the Reading the Mind in the Eyes Test, the Autism Quotient, the Systemizing Quotient, the Empathy Quotient, and the seeing-leads-to-knowing-test.
As for the empathy thats something I dont get either if the extremely bright ones (that I know) appear arrogant and have no Empathy for others yet the lower functioning ones seem to, and quite frankly seem more higher functioning then the 'Geniuses'? Why is this?
Functioning and intelligence are not synonymous at all. A genius can be low functioning, and a person of less than normal intelligence can be high functioning. As long as you don't have serious intellectual impairments then intelligence isn't a good indicator of functioning.
Yes me and some of the "lfa" (as the genius Aspies in real life call them) have borderline IQs yet we always get the "learning beyond expected IQ levels".. Also we seem to do better in school compared to the genius Aspies (who study).
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05 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm
Keniichi wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
FalsettoTesla wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
This might be a bit outdated but Im just wondering(and someone I know in real life brought up a good point) how come a hallmark trait of Aspergers people is having a VERY high IQ? I mean that really doesnt make sense, usually most professional (referring to neuropsychologists here) IQ testing here measures the verbal AND nonverbal, so if the two average out to be a genius/high iq level, how can someone have Aspergers/struggle with making/keeping friends? Especially since the Verbal AND Nonverbal IQ are averaged out to be in the Genius range.....?
There seems to be a lot of disagreement on this topic, but it's my understanding that an average (by average the psychiatric community seem to mean not clinically ret*d) IQ is required to be diagnosed with Aspergers, but that IQ fluctuations are fairly consistent with the rest of the population. It's just that the Aspie geniuses get peoples attention.
Well, no IQ test I've seen tests non-verbal communication skills, by non-verbal they seem to mean entirely logic, intuition and pattern recognition testing. But then I definitely haven't seen every IQ test.
From what I know the Nonverbal IQ testing is supposed to test the areas of the brain that have to do with ALL nonverbal communication(gestures, and other things us Aspies arents supposed to get).
It does not. Communication is not tested in IQ tests. The nonverbal part refers to stuff like pictures.
Then why is it called "nonverbal"? Especially when were not supposed to get nonverbal communication?
Verbal means it relates to words. It's called nonverbal because it does not relate to words. Nonverbal reasoning and nonverbal communication are completely different.
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05 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm
Yeah... I think it's more an artifact of history than anything else.
When IQ tests were just being developed and being used to test Army recruits in the US, they had two different tests. The Alpha test had a lot of language in it--things like analogies--and was used for recruits who were literate and could speak English. The Beta test was designed for recruits that were either illiterate or non-English-speakers, and it had things like mazes or "complete the picture" problems. The Alpha test is the ancestor of the modern Verbal section; the Beta is the ancestor of the modern non-verbal section.
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05 Aug 2012, 1:16 pm
Keniichi wrote:
FalsettoTesla wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
cooldryplace wrote:
Keniichi wrote:
This might be a bit outdated but Im just wondering(and someone I know in real life brought up a good point) how come a hallmark trait of Aspergers people is having a VERY high IQ?
Is it? From what I've read the average is only slightly higher than the default IQ average of 100. Also, a diagnosis is only given if the subject has an IQ over 70. By "hallmark trait," do you actually mean stereotype?
I have no idea but almost every conference and doctor I have seen have proven that ALL the Aspies they treat are Geniuses (based on IQ tests)
Quote:
I mean that really doesnt make sense, usually most professional (referring to neuropsychologists here) IQ testing here measures the verbal AND nonverbal, so if the two average out to be a genius/high iq level, how can someone have Aspergers/struggle with making/keeping friends? Especially since the Verbal AND Nonverbal IQ are averaged out to be in the Genius range.....?
Because Asperger's and ASDs are so much more than a lack of abilities that are measured by IQ tests. How can Aspies be otherwise normal and sometimes even smarter than others but so deficient at other important life skills? Some tests that show a NT/Aspie difference that you might want to check out are the Reading the Mind in the Eyes Test, the Autism Quotient, the Systemizing Quotient, the Empathy Quotient, and the seeing-leads-to-knowing-test.
As for the empathy thats something I dont get either if the extremely bright ones (that I know) appear arrogant and have no Empathy for others yet the lower functioning ones seem to, and quite frankly seem more higher functioning then the 'Geniuses'? Why is this?
Functioning and intelligence are not synonymous at all. A genius can be low functioning, and a person of less than normal intelligence can be high functioning. As long as you don't have serious intellectual impairments then intelligence isn't a good indicator of functioning.
Yes me and some of the "lfa" (as the genius Aspies in real life call them) have borderline IQs yet we always get the "learning beyond expected IQ levels".. Also we seem to do better in school compared to the genius Aspies (who study).
If you have Aspergers you do not LFA. LFA is a subset of those with Autistic Disorder and they tend to do poorly in school. Anyway, I have an IQ of 130 so you may or may not consider me a "genius aspie", but I do well enough in school without studying at all, so your claims are baseless and you are being just as arrogant as the "genius aspies".
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