Looking for advice... 4 year vaccs

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OliveOilMom's post brings up another good point: She and her daughter have such severe allergies that they can have a bad allergic reaction to vaccines and end up in the hospital over it. (Egg-based ones especially, I assume, since that's one of the big risks.) People with severe allergies, with touchy immune systems, or similar, who cannot be vaccinated, depend entirely on the rest of us to keep them safe. You may say, "Hey, if I got the measles, I'd survive, no problem!"--and probably you would--but when you can get vaccinated, and you choose not to, you're not just putting yourself at risk; you're also risking the health of the people who cannot be vaccinated for legitimate health reasons. We need to keep the number of unvaccinated people as low as possible so that any outbreaks can be stopped before they spread; and those unvaccinated people should be people for whom vaccination is unusually risky, or who don't develop a solid immunity in response to a vaccine. To exclude yourself or your child from vaccination, despite the lack of any risk factors, simply because of urban legends about autism, is extremely irresponsible.

Well, in my country it's mandatory for higher education students to have the vaccines; if not then they are considered a public health risk, and therefore those children are apparently not allowed to attend/enroll there. (NOTE: I heard this from a disputable source, so this may not be true)...but anyway going back on topic, vaccines have NOT been proven to cause Autism, and any 'off-chance' occurrence of it would be purely COINCIDENTAL.

You can get chickenpox more than once, it's just gets less likely in most people after they have it once or twice. I should probably get vaccinated, given my age and the fact that I haven't had it before.

Last edited by puddingmouse on 09 Aug 2012, 9:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I'm British and I've never heard of that.

I'm very gullible, therefore the person must've lied...though, it was a school nurse, aswell as a teacher that told us (my class) this.

1. Vaccines have nothing to do with autism.

2. The spokesperson for the anti-vaccination movement is a Playboy Pinup. Is that your standard for reliable information?

3. Even if vaccines caused autism(and they don't), would you really prefer having your child die from whooping cough than having a kid on the spectrum?

Also, this(warning: explicit language).

No, of course they’re not. Doctors and scientists are trained to avoid statements like “100% sure” or “absolute proof” or other such absolutes. The scientific method is designed in such a way that precludes the use of statements like these. The best you can do is say “there is no evidence for” or “studies have shown” or “current evidence supports/does not support” etc etc. This is why gravity is still a theory, and why scientists can’t “prove” vaccinations don’t cause autism; it’s simply not an accepted phrase to use within the structure of science in a peer-reviewed journal.

On the other hand, people who say things like “vaccines are 100% bad” or “this crystal will heal your cancer” etc are not bound by the same regulations as scientists and doctors. They can say whatever they want and it sounds so much more convincing.

I can understand why you’re concerned, and why you might be overwhelmed with all of the information available on the internet, but what are you looking for when you ask this question? An absolute statement of reassurance from a professional? A definitive research paper with findings that unequivocally prove that your child will not be adversely affected by his 4yo shots? You will get neither, because science isn’t like that. All there is is a mountain of evidence that does not support a causal link between vaccinations and autism. And with around 1 in 100 children on the autism spectrum, it wouldn’t be hard to strongly support a causal link if there was one. In fact, it’d be downright simple, like the rotavirus vaccine and intussusception.

If you would like a good starting point though, here’s an article from the Mayo Clinic:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed


Except that it's not. Why give your kid a Hep B shot? Well, that's up to you, but here's why I'd give my kid one:
1. Transmission can be through touching someone elses blood, getting a needlestick injury, biting and other close contact, not just sex and needles. There have been cases of Hep B being transmitted in daycare centres and schools.
2. 90% babies exposed to Hep B will go on to develop chronic Hep B infection, with an increased risk of dying prematurely from liver cancer or cirrhosis. Further, many children who are Hep B positive show no symptoms and can go on to infect others without even knowing it.
3. Hep B is 100 times more infectious as HIV. Would you vaccinate your child against HIV if you could, knowing that his lifetime likelyhood of contracting the virus would be far reduced?


Yep. And some people died from them.

e.g. Prior to 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused about 2.6 million deaths each year. Measles vaccination resulted in a 74% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2010 worldwide (WHO Fact sheet N°286).


Why bother? Just google it, it's public information.
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_cir ... _ii_pi.pdf

The main doctor who was promoting the theory that vaccines cause autism was proven not only to be wrong, but to be a fraud.

Your doctor should be using single dose vaccines on your child, these vaccines are made sterile and don't use the mercury based preservative.

Has your kid ever ate fish? We often get fish warnings due to high heavy metal content.

Where were those kids located? Not the US I'm guessing... but in poor countries with little or no decent healthcare. So did the measles really kill them or did a non-existant / failing healthcare system?

I haven't really been following this debate these last few years, but I have to say:

Are ad hominem arguments and vague blanket statements the best this community has to offer in defense of these vaccines? Don't we pride ourselves on being logical? Also, most of us here are on the high-functioning side: when parents fear "autism" they are talking about something quite different. What if aspies are the ones most at risk for vaccine reactions? If the choice were to catch measles/whooping cough/etc. or become low-functioning, which would you prefer for yourself or your child?

I don't mean that we can say the parents face that particular choice, but the tendency to view all these concerns as a personal attack on autistic people is unreasonable. There are people on the spectrum who suffer not only from the prejudice and intolerance we all face, but the autism itself. If there is a chance that the risks (autism or anything else) will outweigh the benefits of a vaccine, it can't be dismissed.

No preservatives are based on mercury. Claims that they are, stem from a lack of understanding of Chemistry.

Measles epidemics in developed countries are deadly, too. Measles encephalitis is the big problem: The virus gets into your brain and causes brain damage as the brain tries to swell inside the skull. Hospital treatment certainly improves your chances, but some people die despite the best that modern medicine can provide. Others survive, but suffer long-term brain damage.