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04 Dec 2006, 4:09 pm

I got banned no less than 14 times on the Harry Potter message boards for having roleplays that were "off topic," because they contained vampires (which exist in the Harry Potter universe, by the way) or were "inappropriate," with their profanity or violence--the latter of which is laughable given that this is a series where characters cut off their own hands, are forced to carve letters into their own hands, get ripped up by giant snakes, stabbed, clawed, tortured, maimed, murdered, and mutated...among other things. Granted, it's never super graphic, but it's not like this series isn't without its disturbing and violent moments.

Actually, 8 of those times were all in the same night, and 4 of THOSE times were before I'd even made a post, because the dingleberries at WB weren't happy about me refusing to leave their little "family friendly site." Potter is a PG-13 rated series, but those message boards? Tripple G. (Except for the often-pornographic hot tub parties that the mods didn't notice, and it's understandable that they missed a few because there were practically 5-10 every day.)



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04 Dec 2006, 4:14 pm

KBABZ, I never got my identity back, I had to start over!

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I got a ban this year that still puzzles me. Maybe it's my Aspie=ism. I have an ASD son so I posted on a Parent Board. Somebody posted a question about how well your child can "pass." I posted that, as an Aspie/HFA, it's hard to "pass", even if you can do it, and that it's not possible for an ASDer to turn NT nor should anyone try--that autism wasn't the end of the world and I wouldn't become NT if given the chance. Whoa boy. Did I get flamed. It got so bad that I started fighting back and the parents got angrier. It somehow escalated to, "Pam is unstable, has bipolar, and is on a manic high. That's why she's writing these things." Huh???? Finally, I gave up on the board and trolled for a day, deliberately baiting the NT's. The ban was in the works way before that though. To this day, since I tend to ruminate, I get angry at that ban and wonder what I said that was so wrong. I think the parents wanted me to say that their kids would grow up to have no problems and all have great lives, great jobs, spouses, kids and all the things THEY wanted for their kids that their kids may choose not to have. So far I find this place pretty safe, and there is none of that "cure ASD" here anyways.


Aspie94 (almost) the same thing has happened to me on a parenting board I frequent!! I have come close to being banned, but it never has happened officially, but I cannot count the number of times I have been flamed and vilified there for saying things that I honestly thought were ok. It's like I offend and piss people off on that board, just by touching my keyboard. Like you, I think it is just that I am being honest and straightforward. :? For instance I recently started a thread on there about something I saw in a grocery store where a woman nearly assaulted a clerk because she didn't get cash back on her foodstamps. Well guess what happened? I received a bunch of replies saying I must be prejudiced against people on foodstamps for making such a post. Go figure.



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04 Dec 2006, 4:17 pm

SteveK, I like your caps very much, please don't stop using them.



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04 Dec 2006, 4:20 pm

en_una_isla wrote:
KBABZ, I never got my identity back, I had to start over!

Aw man, that sucks! Wait, you were on GameFAQs???

*en_ula_isla gets an award for spelling my username right*
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04 Dec 2006, 4:26 pm

It does come across as aggressive and shouty and I can well understand people getting somewhat annoyed with you when you respond like that. Using italics would be better, showing that you're emphasising something WITHOUT SHOUTING!



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04 Dec 2006, 4:46 pm

Tequila wrote:
It does come across as aggressive and shouty and I can well understand people getting somewhat annoyed with you when you respond like that. Using italics would be better, showing that you're emphasising something WITHOUT SHOUTING!


This is true. However, it also requires the extra effort of bothering with all that "bbcode" nonsense rather then just hitting the SHIFT KEY.



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04 Dec 2006, 5:10 pm

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Sorry to take up this little tangent but I really hate it when people fail to understand individualism/collectivism.

Its not black and white communism or capitalism for example like most people think. Collectivism and individualism are two diametrically opposed philisophies at the far ends of a spectrum.

However each requires at least a little of the other for a society to remain stable.

A purely individualistic society would lack laws while a purely collectivistic society would preclude a single person from making any decision on their own.

Its a matter of personal preference how much or how little of each is mixed into your ideal societal structure (like 60% individualistic 40% collectivistic, etc) so for every system there are those who would rather live under a different ratio.

So long as the people arent being forced to remain there after the systems ratio is changed then theres nothing wrong with any government system regardless of what they do to maintain their society.

Theres never been a pure collectivistic society on earth and a pure individualistic society is an oxymoron.


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04 Dec 2006, 5:21 pm

I've only been banned from one forum and I knew full well why. I wasn't informed of my banning but I knew why I was banned. I spammed the forum because I was mad at the owner and I was trying to get people on there back to the other forum. This happened on Bravenet three years back. I knew the rules of the forum such as no spamming and I posted junk and crap like mmmmmfjksdfhsdkfksadfhkjs in each post.


My posts has been deleted on websites and forum as well like on imdb but I didn't know why. I think the person who sent me a nasty email didn't like me warning others about him, (this happned on Mozart and the Whale discussion forum) and this guy was looking for anotgher girl with AS and he said to email him if interested so I did and I got two nasty replies back so I went to the forum and warned everyone in his thread about him and he saw it and didn't like it so he reported it and it got deleted. He happened to be an aspie too or is he one? After seeing his review on the movie, I'm now sure he has it too but it disgusts me he can be a nasty guy too and have AS. Man.


On other sites like on proboards, and Nintendo Nsider forums, I didn't know why some of my posts got deleted. But some others I knew why because I had them posted in the wrong section or I accidently violated the terms and didn't realize it till afterwards. When my posts get deleted for no reason, I don't repost it again due to fear of banning.


Steve when you were accused of harassment, you should have asked what are you doing that is considered harrassment.



04 Dec 2006, 5:28 pm

Aspie94 wrote:
I got a ban this year that still puzzles me. Maybe it's my Aspie=ism. I have an ASD son so I posted on a Parent Board. Somebody posted a question about how well your child can "pass." I posted that, as an Aspie/HFA, it's hard to "pass", even if you can do it, and that it's not possible for an ASDer to turn NT nor should anyone try--that autism wasn't the end of the world and I wouldn't become NT if given the chance. Whoa boy. Did I get flamed. It got so bad that I started fighting back and the parents got angrier. It somehow escalated to, "Pam is unstable, has bipolar, and is on a manic high. That's why she's writing these things." Huh???? Finally, I gave up on the board and trolled for a day, deliberately baiting the NT's. The ban was in the works way before that though. To this day, since I tend to ruminate, I get angry at that ban and wonder what I said that was so wrong. I think the parents wanted me to say that their kids would grow up to have no problems and all have great lives, great jobs, spouses, kids and all the things THEY wanted for their kids that their kids may choose not to have. So far I find this place pretty safe, and there is none of that "cure ASD" here anyways.




I think they got mad thinking you used AS as an excuse???? because you said you wouldn't become NT if you had the chance. people can misinterput that as I want to keep being autistic so I can have special rules or think I can do anything and say anything I want because I have autism.



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04 Dec 2006, 6:13 pm

Hmm...

I've been banned once. And that was... Well that was embarrasing. They banned me for hacking-- I can't hack ANYTHING.

Anything. At all.

Oh well. Board had only 10 members anyway.



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04 Dec 2006, 6:18 pm

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NT's like to ban people for political reasons.


Erm, no offence intended, but most forums define those examples as trolling. Like walking into a church and decrying the existance of God;
It doesn't matter whether you feel something is true or not, if the forums don't want to hear it, they don't want to hear it.
Freedom of speech might very well be a lovely thing to have in completeness, but nowhere in the world is it allowed to go on without restrictions, and privately owned organisations have even more leeway to restrict it as they please.

It's not that I disagree with you, per se, it's that there tend to be ways to broach topics, and ways to broach topics. If you do it in a way that is seen as 'wrong', you end up fighting a losing/unnecessary battle.


Having been an avid poster on numerous forums in the past, and a moderator on 2, I can say... Many people that get moderated also end up banned because they get a tad stubborn.
One instance I can think of most recently, he was on a self-fulfilling treadmill, unfortunately. Started out with a thread closure for a definite forum rule infraction, reposted the thread exactly the same way, posting a new thread attacking the mod staff for censoring his opinions instead of taking it to PMs (another rule) after that got deleted, then followed up with posting a thread comparing the moderation to staff with nazis, chock full of other flames. In the end, 3 single account bans and an IP ban later, he was off the forum for good.

The bans weren't handed out wildly because they wanted a person to shut up. He got a temporary ban first to have time to reflect on it and cool off, preceeded by PM's and a post in the initially closed thread explaining why moderation action was taken. Maybe the methodology wasn't perfect, but they did make efforts to reach out to the person before shutting him out from the community with permanent IP bans.

I'll admit, it's not something I'm completely comfortable with, but I can't say I know of any alternative.
http://bbs.conqueronline.com/forumdispl ... &forumid=3
This is what happens when you have overly lax moderation. Tell me that's what you think a forum should be >_> Just look around a bit, you'll find threads full of nothing but people saying "Pwned" Quote:"Pwned" Quote:Quote:Pwned going on and on until people get bored.
It's fun for some posters, but the end result is that it's an extremely unproductive, cold community, where the dominant poster set are the flamers.




On GameFAQs, they only IP ban in extreme cases. Otherwise, they ban individual accounts, and let people create new ones, which they do. Again and again and again. Minor trolls never go away because of this <_<
I think they actually want people to take advantage of that opportunity to start fresh, and not go through the same things again. But you're by no means unallowed to mention that you are your old account unless you're KOS, which means new accounts that are linked to your old ones are banned as soon as they're spotted.

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Edit: I have been banned from a forum once before too. Immediately, permanently, and without warning, for a rule that didn't exist. Apparently, my account name was too close to an admin's name. Like I look through the forum moderator list while creating an account to specifically avoid it -_-
The forum rules and guidelines mentioned nothing of the sort too.

We hashed it out in the end, and they promised to add that into the rules... And it never was. And I don't think anyone actually apologised over their error.



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04 Dec 2006, 6:26 pm

Thanks for that Mercury! You must have some knowledge of GameFAQs!


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04 Dec 2006, 6:30 pm

KBABZ wrote:
Thanks for that Mercury! You must have some knowledge of GameFAQs!


Used to post on a social board, and a political board there. Particularly on the political board, you get to learn a bit about how they moderate and how the ban system works, because people get banned frequently there for trolling, flaming, and getting drunk and posting crap <_<
They also had an active moderator posting there, though he's resigned now, iirc.



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04 Dec 2006, 6:30 pm

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NT's like to ban people for political reasons.



Erm, no offence intended, but most forums define those examples as trolling. Like walking into a church and decrying the existance of God;
It doesn't matter whether you feel something is true or not, if the forums don't want to hear it, they don't want to hear it.
Freedom of speech might very well be a lovely thing to have in completeness, but nowhere in the world is it allowed to go on without restrictions, and privately owned organisations have even more leeway to restrict it as they please.


I tend to agree, although the amount of dissent allowed between forums/blogs varies wildly. Some pretty much allow complete disagreement even if there is a predominate opinion, while others will ban at the slightest disagreement with the orthodoxy.



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04 Dec 2006, 6:33 pm

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KBABZ wrote:
Thanks for that Mercury! You must have some knowledge of GameFAQs!


Used to post on a social board, and a political board there. Particularly on the political board, you get to learn a bit about how they moderate and how the ban system works, because people get banned frequently there for trolling, flaming, and getting drunk and posting crap <_<
They also had an active moderator posting there, though he's resigned now, iirc.

Haha, nice. Needless to say I'm back there, and helping people out in the same fashion as I did four months ago, albeit a bit sillier as a result of staying here for as long as I have!


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04 Dec 2006, 6:49 pm

jimservo wrote:
I tend to agree, although the amount of dissent allowed between forums/blogs varies wildly. Some pretty much allow complete disagreement even if there is a predominate opinion, while others will ban at the slightest disagreement with the orthodoxy.


Definitely. Quality varies from forum to forum, in all ways.

Like relationships and dating, when things don't work out, it's not necessarily that either side is 'bad' or 'unfit', just that they're not a good match. I don't think any posting style or forum is (completely) invalid; There are places for every style of posting.
Trying to force a good match out of a forum is a bit like trying to change a person to fit your needs; It simply doesn't work 99% of the time.