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25 Sep 2012, 7:12 pm

Thanks man, I appreciate it. Shouldn't have to worry about next semester since I went back on the seizure medication, whch I was only off of since it had been five years and no problems. Have a good one.

edit: My earlier post probably shows, I have self-esteem issues, which will never go away. I'll always believe everyone else is somehow better than me, that they know it, and that they want to let me know. I have to silently repeat to myself that I'm smarter than everyone else (just not everyone being smarter and better than me isn't good enough) in order to speak in class.

edit: I think my self esteem is barely boosted by the mescaline therapy (I call it therapy at least) because it's caused by my being bullied and not anything in my brain, plus there was the fact that my parents talked to me about the learning disabilities I had been diagnosed with, but didn't tell me my IQ was in the 99th percentile because they thought I would think they had impossible expectations for me. Little did they know I didn't think about what others think at all, unless I think it's something bad about me. I need to find a therapist who doesn't disapprove of me using psychedelics on my own time, because they make me feel better than any mere discussion could in a thousand lifetimes and I'm not stopping.



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25 Sep 2012, 7:14 pm

I don't understand at all. How am I supposed to trust someone with an arbitrary amount of money, for an unspecified purpose, based solely on their face? I'd trust them all equally, because their face is irrelevant. How much money is relative and depends entirely on information that is not provided.



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25 Sep 2012, 7:31 pm

You are fairly cautious.
Overall you trusted 49% less than the average player.

You are less likely than average to trust a stranger. Your caution may be wise, but does it affect the way you work and socialise with new acquaintances?

I'm guessing the point is if I one took it on MDMA, they'd be giving money out everywhere, but I don't know, as I've never taken it and likely never will; the basic sound of it doesn't appeal to me.



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25 Sep 2012, 7:54 pm

To me, the notion of determining how much I would trust someone based on their face is colossally absurd. I'm not going to loan anyone anything based on how "trusting" their face looks.

Want to approach me for a loan for a business? Show me that you know what you're doing and that you have a good idea with great prospects of repaying the debt. If it comes down to whether or not to trust your face, you don't get a penny.

Loaning money to someone because you trust them based on looks is the mark of a true sucker. Do that and you are likely to lose your money.

On other issues, I can be quite trusting. For example, when I see someone stopped on the highway, I routinely stop and ask them if they need help. That really surprises some people.

This applies not only here where crime rates are relatively minor, but even when I lived in the Houston area. For example, one night when it was below freezing, there was a car stopped on the side of the freeway on Interstate 45 Northbound near Texas City between Galveston and League City. I stopped and gave the three young blacks in the car a ride to the next town where they could call friends to come give them a ride. They said that in the six hours they had been there, I was the only one to even stop to see if they were okay.

The other day I saw a van parked along a road in my community. I stopped to see if they needed help. It was some woman from Kansas. The notion that someone would stop to see if strangers needed help caught her completely by surprise.

One time I stopped for a truck that was stopped on the side of the road. It turned out to be my oldest brother, but I didn't know that until he leaned over to talk through the window.



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25 Sep 2012, 7:55 pm

JitakuKeibiinB wrote:
I don't understand at all. How am I supposed to trust someone with an arbitrary amount of money, for an unspecified purpose, based solely on their face? I'd trust them all equally, because their face is irrelevant. How much money is relative and depends entirely on information that is not provided.


Exactly.



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25 Sep 2012, 8:36 pm

JitakuKeibiinB wrote:
I don't understand at all. How am I supposed to trust someone with an arbitrary amount of money, for an unspecified purpose, based solely on their face? I'd trust them all equally, because their face is irrelevant. How much money is relative and depends entirely on information that is not provided.


Exactly what I was thinking.


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26 Sep 2012, 12:52 am

You are very trusting.
Overall you trusted 59% more than the average player.

There isn't a link between type of face and being trustworthy. Also making you start at £500 instead of £0 encourages you to invest more. Most of my guesses were in the £250 region, as the face was not important, but by betting half I hopefully cover any losses



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26 Sep 2012, 1:05 am

I was 81% less trusting than the average person, which sounds about right. I tend to be overly cynical and trust nobody until they have proven themselves worthy of it.


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26 Sep 2012, 2:00 am

I got 71% less trusting than others... but then again, I was only investing as much as I actually have... I don't have hundreds of dollars to invest in anything right now lol

I mean, I really need the other 400.



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26 Sep 2012, 3:09 am

JitakuKeibiinB wrote:
I don't understand at all. How am I supposed to trust someone with an arbitrary amount of money, for an unspecified purpose, based solely on their face? I'd trust them all equally, because their face is irrelevant. How much money is relative and depends entirely on information that is not provided.


Okay, as far as I know I've never had any problem reading faces, so I can tell you what made me answer the way I did. I think the faces can have some relevance.

If you imagine that most people, as they go through life, react to their experiences by producing facial expressions. These expressions are a reflection of their internal feelings at that time. Then, as they get older, their face begins to change shape and develop wrinkles or a change of muscle tone in various places. On average, this happens more to NT people than to ASD people because NT's are generally more expressive. The changes reflect the most prolific expressions produced by the person. So if someone smiles a lot they get crows feet, if someone frowns a lot they get the big dent between the eyebrows etc.

If you imagine someone leading their life in a dishonest or negative manner. To interact in their social/business circle they might experience more confrontation, more threat, more dangerous negotiation (instigated by them or others). It might be a necessity in their life to be both strong and powerful and to have a pokerface and give nothing away about their thoughts or intentions.

This means they have to sort of harden their face (very subtle expression). They rarely smile, so no pleasant wrinkles. They don't trust others, so slightly more 'cut' eyes, they can hold their own so they'll have a look of defiance. Over time this sets their face. They cease to look like innocent children and, at an extreme, look more like stereotyped criminals.

This was how I answered. If the person looked friendly, 'open' or naive, I invested more money than if they looked strong, defiant or distrustful themselves. For all of that, it's still a pretty stupid test so I'm not suggesting it should make too much sense. I wouldn't condone judging a book by it's cover in this manner on a daily basis, but then I guess that's exactly what most people do all the time.

Is this helpful at all?


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26 Sep 2012, 4:55 am

You are fairly cautious.
Overall you trusted 38% less than the average player.
You are less likely than average to trust a stranger. Your caution may be wise, but does it affect the way you work and socialise with new acquaintances?

i don't know what this test was trying to prove and i lied for all of it. i don't trust investors at all, i just pretended i did and i dont know why i would be going to one to begin with and giving this random my money. i get that we were supposed to judge based on facial expression but thats so dodgy. people can manipulate those if they are distrustful and what does and expression really say about people?



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29 Sep 2012, 12:03 am

You are very cautious.
Overall you trusted 71% less than the average player.

Compared to most people, you are very unlikely to trust a stranger. Is your judgement sometimes too harsh?

I don't think my judgements are too harsh; better to be safe than sorry, especially where your money is concerned! To be honest I had a hard time reading a lot of the faces; some of them struck me as obviously trustworthy or not, but most of them just sort of looked bland and neutral, another reason for me to distrust them; how can I know if behind my blindness for reading faces is an honest person? It's just too big a risk.


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29 Sep 2012, 2:04 pm

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I listened to the interview with Professor Nutt on the radio a few days ago.


I think most professors are a bit nutty but this guy takes the cake.



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29 Sep 2012, 5:03 pm

I'm 7% trusting, apparently.

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What has that personality test got to do with a drugs trial on Ecstasy (MDMA)?


It's well known (anecdotally at least) that MDMA tends to make you more trusting. My guess is they get a bunch of sober people to take this test, and compare their scores to people they've just given MDMA to.

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And how much do you find the test credible, and how well did you score?


It's an established test, it has been used before (with some variations). For example, this study used a very similar test to assess how 'approachable' people with Williams Syndrome (a genetic syndrome associated with hypersociability) found random strangers.

It may seem silly to judge people based on their faces, and certainly it's not fair to do so in real life (not that people don't, anyway...) but very often tests like these are assessing unconscious mental processes. You don't know why you chose one kind of face more than another, but yet part of your brain is analyzing the faces and judging them - it's just that the process deciding on these faces is not available to conscious awareness.

For example, people with certain kinds of brain injuries can have blind spots, for example being blind to things to their left side. A person like this will report not seeing anything from that direction. If you ask them to point at an object in that direction, they'll think you're being silly - they just told you they can't see it! But if you get them to 'guess' where it is, they'll consistently point straight at it, because an unconscious part of their brains is seeing.

Freud was wrong about a lot of things, but he was right about one thing. The conscious part of your mind is just the tip of the iceberg - a great deal of our mental processes are unconscious. Very often, if psychologists ask you to judge something when you have no good information to base your judgement on, they're trying to tap into an unconscious process. In this case, how you judge the nonverbal cues to decide if someone is trustworthy.



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29 Sep 2012, 5:34 pm

You are very cautious.
Overall you trusted 69% less than the average player.

Compared to most people, you are very unlikely to trust a stranger. Is your judgement sometimes too harsh?


Is all fault of the people i have known in my life.