apparently I don't have Asperger's. So Bye Bye wrongplanet

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10 Oct 2012, 5:06 pm

Hm,

I am always cautious - a 'less than interesting childhood'? I don't know what that means, and I can't diagnose you, but I don't know - I think some kids get 'looked over'. It looks to me like you are at a 50/50 draw. Is it possible to see a psychologist with extensive experience in diagnosing adults? I'm lucky I was able to do so, I hope the same for you.

I think you should not leave wrong planet. Please stay.

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10 Oct 2012, 5:11 pm

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because of my enviroment i had relatively few troubles during primary school, when i was expected to independendtly fit into the social structure sof high school i started having a lot of trouble.


Ditto to this. I had a very quiet and sheltered childhood with little social interaction and, aside from being considered shy and daydreamy, did not send up any warning flags to anyone, yet the things which had not been an issue until then became a BIG issue as soon as I was forced to leave that environment and start high school.

There is a difference between not exhibiting difficulties during childhood because they didn't exist and not exhibiting them because you were in an environment which compensated for them. Perhaps these clinicians did not take this into account? Of course, if as a child you were extremely social and did not display any difficulties in that regard, that might suggest that the issue you have is something else.



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13 Oct 2012, 1:16 am

When I joined this site I didn't even know I was an aspie and I felt like I was at home.

It was only about... a week ago I watched a video on Youtube explaining pros and cons being an Aspie
and I was like "Are you me?". No need to leave silly~ I think this place is great for anyone having social issues.

Besides there's thousands of different types of Aspies so maybe your clinic wasn't that great.
I actually started to develop my Aspergers during 16-20 so I have no idea where does this "not possible that someone starts showing AS in teenage years" comes from :roll:



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13 Oct 2012, 2:42 am

BrokenEnvoke wrote:
When I joined this site I didn't even know I was an aspie and I felt like I was at home.

It was only about... a week ago I watched a video on Youtube explaining pros and cons being an Aspie
and I was like "Are you me?". No need to leave silly~ I think this place is great for anyone having social issues.

Besides there's thousands of different types of Aspies so maybe your clinic wasn't that great.
I actually started to develop my Aspergers during 16-20 so I have no idea where does this "not possible that someone starts showing AS in teenage years" comes from :roll:


Actually, because AS is a form of autism, it does have to have been present since childhood. Autism is not a mental disorder which can develop, like depression, but rather a physical neurological difference present from birth. If you cannot show that you displayed any symptoms in childhood, an autism diagnosis will not be given because that means the cause of the problem is something else.

Having said that, it is both possible for the symptoms to worsen and also for them to be masked due to external factors. I had a very quiet, simple and structured childhood and therefore did not have any significant difficulties except apparent shyness. It was only during the huge social and environmental change of high school that they became more dramatically obvious. As I said above, less experienced clinicians aren't always aware of this phenomenon, and assume the stereotype of childhood impairment has to be true in all cases.



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13 Oct 2012, 3:04 am

If you come from a culture where typically "autistic" traits are more accepted, you might not have ever been considered abnormal in childhood...

This is an important element that you need to remember. My mother never caught my autism because to her, I was normal. If it's not a big deal, it can get overlooked big time.

My theory is, the further West you go, the worse of a problem Autism is. So if you didn't grow up in a culture that expected high socialization, autism can easily be missed. But when you go for a diagnosis in a western country, they expect you to have had an abnormal childhood. Depending on where you're from, that might not have been the case.

I would say that you should get a second opinion and explain what you said here; that your problems arose when you came to Germany. My problems arose when I went to middle school. It didn't mean I wasn't autistic because my problems weren't caught before. There's a big difference.



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13 Oct 2012, 3:04 am

Jinks wrote:
Actually, because AS is a form of autism, it does have to have been present since childhood. Autism is not a mental disorder which can develop, like depression, but rather a physical neurological difference present from birth. If you cannot show that you displayed any symptoms in childhood, an autism diagnosis will not be given because that means the cause of the problem is something else.

Having said that, it is both possible for the symptoms to worsen and also for them to be masked due to external factors. I had a very quiet, simple and structured childhood and therefore did not have any significant difficulties except apparent shyness. It was only during the huge social and environmental change of high school that they became more dramatically obvious. As I said above, less experienced clinicians aren't always aware of this phenomenon, and assume the stereotype of childhood impairment has to be true in all cases.


Hmm that's actually true~
I think I'm a prime example of this. Back in Elementary-Middle School I had really close friends who shared common interests as me, so I looked "normal" in a sense.
I barely talked at all and I always noticed how my two friends talked normally to each other, but when I was talking I would always have trouble to say things the way I wanted and generally didn't know what to say. But that didn't bother me or my friends, so nobody payed no heed. Although I did partake in some "class" that was aimed towards less social or "not normal" children that was supposed to help overcome it. I don't think they knew what they were doing though...

But after Middle school where everyone got separated, it's where my social issues really started to shine in high/trade school.

So I guess I always was an aspie, but it was very subtle until now where it's completely obvious and I'm aware of it.
I think I need to ask my parents if they had any discussion with my Elementary teacher, since they made me go to a Special school every Friday~

Interesting :P



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13 Oct 2012, 5:17 pm

I still haven't gotten myself diagnosed but I feel like I just fit in here. If thinking you had an ASD made your life make sense then that says something tangible about your personality traits and the way you look at the world. Even if some boffins give you an 'NT' rubber stamp on your forehead it doesn't mean you don't fit in here and feel like part of a group. I say if you fit in and feel comfortable here among aspies and auties then stay.



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13 Oct 2012, 5:24 pm

You don't have to leave Wrong Planet...you can stay; Wrong Planet has always been accepting of all sorts of people, whether one is on the spectrum or not doesn't matter- 'neurodiversity'. :)


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13 Oct 2012, 5:30 pm

I subscribe to EstherJ post. I wouldn't trust too much all the 'specialists'. They could be subjective too.
So don't be so negative because - be careful - autosuggestion might confirm your suspicions.



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13 Oct 2012, 7:18 pm

If you like this forum and find solace in it, there's no reason you have to leave.


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13 Oct 2012, 8:18 pm

KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
You don't have to leave Wrong Planet...you can stay; Wrong Planet has always been accepting of all sorts of people, whether one is on the spectrum or not doesn't matter- 'neurodiversity'. :)
Yup. We need people of all sorts here. The more perspectives we have the better chances we have of solving any given problem. If you like it here, feel free to stay. After all, we have plenty of NTs who are here simply because they know an autistic person; why shouldn't we want people who are neurodiverse but non-autistic?

It would be nice to have an option on the profile that says "Neurodiverse", in addition to just the AS/Other ASD/Family/Unsure/Neurotypical options. Seems we're leaving those people out, and many of them would have a lot of things in common. For example: Schizotypal/schizoid/Avoidant PD, prosopagnosiac, social anxiety, OCD/OCPD, reactive attachment disorder, ADHD, executive dysfunction for any number of reasons, Rett's, Fragile X, non-autism-related savant syndrome, hyperlexia, social learning disorder. Those can indeed be mistaken for autism, but that's because they share so much with autism; Rett's, Fragile X, and RAD have all at one time or another been identified as either types of autism or causes of autism. Why should we hide away in our own little corner? I'd like to forge more connections to people with other kinds of disabilities, and with people who are non-disabled but atypical in some way, and with the people who aren't disabled or atypical but have friends and relatives with disabilities. WP has always been run by people with autism, for people with autism; but it's not isolationist, and never should be.


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14 Oct 2012, 3:18 am

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AS doesn't appear in teens, it appears in early childhood. But you are still welcome here.


Although AS doesn't appear in teens, it often first becomes obvious/impossible to ignore during the teen years, when one's social ability becomes overwhelmed by the growing complexity required.


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14 Oct 2012, 4:31 am

I'm NT and I love WP! I'm a bit different from the majority and feel more comfortsble in this site.



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14 Oct 2012, 10:38 pm

Aspergers is just a stupid label for a problem. So what if you didn have all the bad crap to get that title ?.

Im pretty sure you wouldn be here on the site in the first place if you didn have some problems ?.

Its like saying to a person thats missing a leg. there is nothing wrong with you, WALK walk !.

I can see many people like this whole us vs them vs those.

Being the autistic people vs the normal and stuff like that, personally im not looking to become part of any club. I dont have anything against normal people.

You should stay where you feel the best, so who cares if there is nothing broken with you, thats awesome. does that mean you cant be there? no why should it, its a free world.

Dont let titles and stuff control where you go and what people you spend you're time with either real life or on the internet.

I reminds me of the news sometimes, that GAY bars dont want normal people in there, their have their own stupid little club, see thats people wanting to be different just to be different like some nut club. Why shouldn normal people be able to go there and hang out if they those?.

Same here, life is to short for all that other crap.