Has anybody gotten in trouble for pointing out the truth.

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12 Nov 2012, 10:49 pm

Do you know what bothers me is when people challenge what I say but they have no interest in backing up their claims with factual information. I have no problem with new information provided they take the time and interest in making an effort to verify their counter claims. Why spew uncorroborated anecdotes at me? Why aren't they interested in learning?



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12 Nov 2012, 10:56 pm

All the time; I naturally speak very succinctly outside of jokes.


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12 Nov 2012, 11:12 pm

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I'm wondering if anyone else has had anyone get mad at them for pointing out something that was fundamentally true, but for some ungodly reason thought to better be ignored by people en masse, with Rememberance Day just having past I'm reminded of an extremely unpopular observation I made a few years back about how the omnipresent poem In Flanders Fields is actually encouraging the perpetuation of war by saying things like "take up our quarrel with the foe". Anyway, has anyone else had experiences like this?
Constantly. Unfortunately, many people seem to think I am challenging or insulting them even though I am only making an observation.


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13 Nov 2012, 12:14 am

Yes, in a previous job I had, I constantly gave "fair warning" before technical issues arose in order that we could prevent them or be able to handle them better. Previous managers loved this, but the new guy hated being told this truth before, and when the problems happened, didn't care that they affected our clients. Because of this, I was considered to be "disruptive" and "not getting along" with him and one of his buddies he brought in and I was eventually removed. To say it infuriated me that I was basically fired for doing a good job and trying to make our clients first, while the #1 priority for him was to pretend everything was "ok" and that no one's feathers were ruffled, is an understatement.



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13 Nov 2012, 8:29 am

I was railroaded out of my first job after 7 years and I now realize that it wasn't because I was lazy or suddenly making mistakes: I just started speaking too much truth. I pointed out how inefficient the supply chain was (being the most highly educated person there) and how redundant certain higher up jobs were. Shortly after making that statement, I was literally getting written up daily. I also made several suggestions that were laughed at, only to be amazingly thought up by the same 'redundant' people in the organization. How ironic!

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Do you know what bothers me is when people challenge what I say but they have no interest in backing up their claims with factual information. I have no problem with new information provided they take the time and interest in making an effort to verify their counter claims. Why spew uncorroborated anecdotes at me? Why aren't they interested in learning?

I have that happen all the time, especially by young males. I'm frequently called out and challenged and when I try to ask for proof, they just walk away convinced they already won the argument or get angry when I counter their unfounded and ridiculous claims. I was puzzled by this behavior until my GF pointed out that it's because I intimidate Alphas because I don't need to show off and I probably make them very insecure.



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13 Nov 2012, 9:24 am

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When I was a kid living in the deep South in the early 50s, we used to have Bible races at Sunday School. The teacher would give a Bible book and verse, and the first kid there got to read the passages. So I was a good reader, and when Joshua 6:16 came up, I was there first, and got to read through verse 20. But then I blurted out what is said in verse 21... I said, "Why would God want children, and women, and sheep killed?" I was pretty much expelled from Sunday school after that, and I never went to Sunday school again.


I was once kicked out of a church during communion...I asked if Jesus wanted us to be cannibals (bread for the body, wine for his blood.)

On my way out I yelled "Jesus wants me inside him, I thought he hated gays!"

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13 Nov 2012, 10:01 am

I took my kids to church to try to give them some kind of community. My youngest, AS, was brilliant. The kids were called to the stage at Thanksgiving to say what they were thankful for. I think they must have been coached because they gave all these saccharine answers that made the audience happy. There was a big hush when my boy stood up and said: I'm thankful that it's almost Halloween and I'm gonna get a whole bunch of candy. Honesty :0).

Another time, and he was just six years old, he told the congregation about the origins of the planet - and particularly about Gondwana land and continental drift. For a nice touch, he elaborated on a theory of alien colonization provided by his aunt and which had him intrigued. It was a United church which can have a more "open" stance and we were not run out with torches and pitchforks. What mattered and what I am proud off is that he spoke his own mind and did so so eloquently for someone his age.



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14 Nov 2012, 2:29 pm

I used to always be kicked out of everywhere for uttering truths that everyone knew but no one said outloud and everyone pretended not to know. Till the day I discovered you're not supposed to tell inconvenient truths, because people prefer sugar lies. Someone told me the below, so I think telling them ugly truths is a great way to destroy those who try to destroy me just for being "different".

People lie for many reasons:
1. to protect the fantasy they've built about life
2. to convince their own selves
3. to project a certain image
4. to make others believe the things they want them to believe, to manipulate, gain power, control
5. to be considered polite
6. to avoid conflict


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14 Nov 2012, 2:49 pm

I have been told not to say something because it would be controversal of saying banning dumpster diving is not pareto efficient.



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14 Nov 2012, 3:36 pm

I think I recently pissed off my boss when I pointed out that it is mathematically impossible to maximize more than one variable at the same time... (you'd think that people would have picked up on that 68 years after von Neumann & Morgenstern and 44 years after Hardin).

Pretty much challenged his entire world-view... and that of his boss... and that of *his* boss... and that of *her* boss...



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15 Nov 2012, 12:04 am

I've gotten into trouble for speaking my mind. If two things are contradictory, one cannot believe both at the same time. I used to point to such contradictions in theology and the bible to people in a bible study I once attended. I often reduced the group to silence with my observations. Even the "leader" of the study had no answers, probably because he is a moron. Church was often a terrible experience for me because it made so little sense and was so dull.
I'm much happier and liberated without church and its stifling dogma. There was supposed to be such freedom in Jesus, but it was just BS. Christianity is full of rules, mostly "thou shalt nots". I told people this, also, which was not appreciated. I'm shunned by my former church which is just fine with me.



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15 Nov 2012, 9:55 am

Only everytime I do it.

People don't like to hear the truth about stuff, it makes them wrong about stuff and they don't like to be wrong so they ignore it.


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15 Nov 2012, 3:49 pm

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I've gotten into trouble for speaking my mind. If two things are contradictory, one cannot believe both at the same time. I used to point to such contradictions in theology and the bible to people in a bible study I once attended. I often reduced the group to silence with my observations. Even the "leader" of the study had no answers, probably because he is a moron. Church was often a terrible experience for me because it made so little sense and was so dull.
I'm much happier and liberated without church and its stifling dogma. There was supposed to be such freedom in Jesus, but it was just BS. Christianity is full of rules, mostly "thou shalt nots". I told people this, also, which was not appreciated. I'm shunned by my former church which is just fine with me.


I endorse that view of religion.


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15 Nov 2012, 4:03 pm

I recently used my expertise in radio communications to correct some misconceptions and explain how things actually work. In response, I get nasty-grams from several members of the audience who resented that I seemed to "purposely enjoy taking jabs" at them.

The funny thing is that each one of them thought that my lecture was directed solely at him or her alone!

Even funnier was that my lecture was based on over 100 years worth of science in the field of radio communications, and I was the only one in the room who has training, degrees, and licenses in radio communications, and yet those people who complained barely knew how to change the batteries in their iPhones!


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15 Nov 2012, 4:57 pm

Danimal wrote:
I've gotten into trouble for speaking my mind. If two things are contradictory, one cannot believe both at the same time. I used to point to such contradictions in theology and the bible to people in a bible study I once attended. I often reduced the group to silence with my observations. Even the "leader" of the study had no answers, probably because he is a moron. Church was often a terrible experience for me because it made so little sense and was so dull.
I'm much happier and liberated without church and its stifling dogma. There was supposed to be such freedom in Jesus, but it was just BS. Christianity is full of rules, mostly "thou shalt nots". I told people this, also, which was not appreciated. I'm shunned by my former church which is just fine with me.


I'm sorry you had a bad experience with christians, it seems to be a growing issue these days. All I can say is, the Bible is confusing to those who don't understand that depending on where you read in the bible, the rules for society and such were different, for instance the old testament happened years (hundreds actually) before the new testament, so they had different rules, and that's why the bible seems contradictory to itself at times. Not alot of religious leaders these days know enough about the bible to teach it properly, and some use it to their own advantage, sadly. But regardless of who misuses it, it still holds true words and lessons that can be learned. :)


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15 Nov 2012, 5:41 pm

I offend people by saying things that they don't want to hear.