Why so many Aspies pity themselves?

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06 Dec 2012, 1:25 am

I don't pity myself at all, I embrace my oddness.

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06 Dec 2012, 1:28 am

Dizzee wrote:

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"Your Aspie score: 137 of 200 Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 62 of 200 You are very likely an Aspie"

means nothing

See a professional

I actually saw a proffesional after suicide attempt almost two years ago, the psyhiatrist diagnosed a deppresion. I was in rehab for three months and there was a psyhologist who arranged sort of like a group where people talk about certain topics. She interviewed me multiple times personally and all what she asked me was what kind of problems do I have. I'm pretty sure she has no idea what autism is.

Sorry Dizzee, I'm not meaning to seem unkind.

Just, all these people, some kind of online tests, my score was this, or that, even if they have a disability, wearing it like some kind of badge, pathetic self-effacing crap that fills wrongplanet and is why I left before.

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06 Dec 2012, 2:08 am

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I don't see a reason for that, based on post's on this site so many people wish they were normal, well but the point is you never will be! You are born this way! Do you wanna live in a world where all people are perfect and healthy? Not gonna happen, It's part of the evolution. People who are weaker should not suck up to others but live in their own way.

What you just said actually contradicts evolution. If aspies are "weaker" then why are we increasing in numbers? I do not want to turn this thread into an evolution debate, but i see the increase of people with ASD's as evidence against evolution.

Then you don't know the first thing about evolution. Even if the diagnosis rate isn't artificially inflated, we're just shuffling allele frequencies around. Microevolution'll do that, it does not matter much in the long run.

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06 Dec 2012, 2:31 am

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Or evidence that modern medicine has reversed the natural order. Now, just about everyone survives, including those who would have died 100 years ago. I prefer to call it "reverse Evolution." Just wait 100 years, NT's will be like 2% of the population. NT's will someday make a website to talk about how horrible their lives are and why they can't get dates.

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06 Dec 2012, 5:20 am

StarTrekker wrote:

To the OP: what makes you think Aspies are weaker than NT's? Weaker how? I think we're just as strong as they are, maybe more so in a few areas. We don't all pity ourselves, but the fact of the matter is that we are living in a world designed for brains different than ours, which is invariably going to make some days hard for us. It's only natural that when we're surrounded by NT's we're going to want to vent our frustrations to people who understand, which is why a lot of frustration boards that may come across as self-pity wind up here.

And Squonk, your comment was both irrelevant to the thread, and not very friendly, maybe the OP doesn't have the money to get an official diagnosis yet, there's no reason to be mean just because some of us can't afford to see a specialist to get our diagnoses confirmed.

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I already explained and apologised to Dizzee (over page).

My point is about online testing and why so many (particularly Americans) are obsessed by their (cough) scores.

Thank you.

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06 Dec 2012, 7:44 am

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Do you wanna live in a world where all people are perfect and healthy?

Yes, I do. But I know that this is impossible, so I just try to do my best to improve, and that's the only thing I can do, because the're no magical potion that will allow me to understand facial expressions/body langauge,be able to socially interact properly, and not seem creepy to other people. And however, piting myself would not help.

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06 Dec 2012, 8:05 am

I hop you're not implying that NT people are perfect, because no-one's perfect. Everybody has their own quirks.

NTs aren't all these emotionless robots that just go around socialising 24/7. They too have thoughts, feelings, opinions, problems, et cetera.

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06 Dec 2012, 8:16 am

Joe90 wrote:

Ditto.

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06 Dec 2012, 8:23 am

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Agreed... entropy in the universe is increasing... the opposite of what you would expect according to theory of evolution

I assume you are one of the great many people who fundamentally misunderstand the distinction between the two very different uses of the word 'theory'. One is the common usage (i.e. some blokes idea - scientifically known as an hypothesis) and the scientific usage (peer reviewed, carefully researched, tested and evedinced - what the layperson would call a 'fact'). It astounds me that people continue to fail to understand this (or pretend to in order to promote a silly bronze-age myth).

The entropy argument is also just as frustratingly ridiculous. By that deeply flawed logic I could argue against the formation of organised religion or businesses or firendships or..well, you get my point I hope.

I find this whole topic deeply disturbing because I am not a genius and I can see in 5 seconds that it is clearly wrong for many many apparently obvious reasons. Intelligence is one of the greatest thing about being a human being so it breaks my heart to see people fighting against it.

Ps. I normally like to stay roughly on topic but the OP seems like a bit of a silly question at best since AS is diagnosed on the basis of several different problems seriously impacting their ability to function combined with it's reputation as the 'invisible disability'. People sometimes feel pity because it can be quite a difficult thing to live with and not many NTs appear to understand or realise.

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06 Dec 2012, 9:33 am

Kairi96 wrote:

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Do you wanna live in a world where all people are perfect and healthy?

People would be spoiled brats then, you should become a perfect version of yourself, not a product of society.

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06 Dec 2012, 10:58 am

Dizzee wrote:

Why do so many Aspies pity themselves?

Because no one else will.

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06 Dec 2012, 11:31 am

StarTrekker wrote:

Its all to do with power relations, and strength of numbers.

Were the shoe on the other foot and NT's were the minority, they would be the ones with depression, low self esteem and suicidal tendencies. Its as simple as that.

Except they wouldn't be called NT, because they wouldn't be typical. They'd be something else.

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06 Dec 2012, 12:13 pm

Honestly, I don't think most people here pity themselves strictly because they have an ASD....

Pity comes into play when their situations are difficult. In this case, yes, perhaps caused by ASD.

But plenty of NT folks who have difficult situations also pity themselves and blame something in their life for all of their problems. It's not a ASD specific issue at all.

Even if you embrace your differences, when they cause a significant problem in the fundamentals of -living-, doubt arises.

That's everyone, not just ASD folks.

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06 Dec 2012, 12:19 pm

Dizzee wrote:

I understand your point, but I don't see what Autism has to do with someone's health.

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06 Dec 2012, 12:20 pm

Dizzee wrote:

I don't think you've been reading enough here yet. If you're getting the impression that most of here want to be normal, you have obviously not see much of what happens when posts about cures appear.

The overwhelming majority of posters here do not want to be normal. If you think most of us do, you're not digging hard enough.

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06 Dec 2012, 12:22 pm

Dizzee wrote:

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Do you wanna live in a world where all people are perfect and healthy?

People would be spoiled brats then, you should become a perfect version of yourself, not a product of society.

Perfection is impossible; you'll always have at least a few quirks and defects. I wasn't talking about perfection. I was talking about health, both mental and physical health. If everyone was healthy, it would be really a very good thing. Who wouldn't want a world without schizophrenia, blindness, sclerosis, etc? I actually would like to live in a world where everyone is healthy.

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